X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:55:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5343323 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:11:48 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.164; envelope-from=charliekohler@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2012 19:11:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2012 19:11:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2012 19:11:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 763829.87540.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71132 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2012 19:11:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AOs2u3KF9EnFLbHFl6HPJG3goKF9seBJm63skSUj3lNMJNo0JflmCwNzrOzOY3hbeIuWbnuJ+lUbKNiKEH5iUmCCUf+6Y1GgEDl6/9AGmLYFhoA9QWnTS8uQ+naW6uRY8HE2HfWqCrSKqKQINnreySkIsqjgKjt3lf/kvQEcebs=; X-YMail-OSG: k8t0DXoVM1kKqV38U0cVCcL1VSDh8lnRbgu2EDn67VCPA.e PojSZ1H9VX7tMrC5fcWQwgSQPN7Q1A4_1uyO2ale9yrLuFIHVAjvH1kg8bE6 GYrQhmntAvrtumvwPqB1O6GHeZ5QXA9OHiScYBjMCfV0buDN7.Qg2P1imCRg eMlu49cY4ZOhB3rYwjdAjZmbFW0uWaJGaU07rYZ1NYFiWvGGigO_MXaki54J o3PdQjn.LLBjWDXuSvi.M8FiW3PW8DAt6gl2Fbzfn4Js8hTMBZT7W_yeO8ws yMZYi57SsC_5zQXSSOlQ3SFeCmj99_dixK_Akm9J4LNEskBHN0TkRCImv0EX Fi2HFfz4CFTZGFinIaqpojZW0L6aM6yVINL1KIb1YSaYm5BZ7D0xrRWo3zEB DztszJGsUYBmfN6PffzlfT1v9XGrWcXihi_nmZvL6rBnyv9WfpTqeTxsxXGU wR2LhlKCK8CaRbHWfD0wv3ZK7UijpCQQi4RwU2zoqqlx4BKPil7zCkz6ptz4 _m8ghpHIgKs8lpdpINw-- Received: from [67.8.26.135] by web126001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 11:11:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1326136272.70286.YahooMailNeo@web126001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Kohler Reply-To: Charlie Kohler Subject: Re: [LML] Re: brake caliper X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="28998604-1796726037-1326136272=:70286" --28998604-1796726037-1326136272=:70286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable air can be introduced into the brake system by using a pump pressure bottle= . It oxygenates the fluid while it is under pressure. The only way to use a= pump pressure bottle is to pressurize it only during the few minutes it ta= kes to pump the fluid in. If it is stored under pressure it will cause air = bubbles to form in the system and a resulting soft-pedal.=0A=0A=A0=0ACharli= e K.=0A=A0=0ASee me on the web at =0Awww.Lancair-IV.com=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0A From: "marv@lancair.net" = =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Monday, January 9, 2012 2:05 PM=0ASub= ject: [LML] Re: brake caliper=0A =0A=0A=0APosted for "Ken"=0A:=0A=0A=A0Brad,=0A=A0=0A=A0After 3 attempts with a brake bleeder pu= mp I would have air bubbles settle at =0Athe top of the arc in the nylaflow= lines between the brake cylinders the day =0Aafter the bleeding procedure.= =A0=A0Here is what worked for=0Ame.=0A=A0=0A=A0See the attached pictures.= =A0=A0The bulkhead fitting in the cap of the supply =0Acontainer needs to b= e sealed with RTV=0Aor it will leak.=A0=A0The supply container =0Aalso need= s a hole in the bottom (which becomes the top when hung inverted) to =0Aact= as a vent,=0Aand to allow the ability to add more H-5606 if needed.=A0=A0C= onnect =0Aa hose nipple/pipe thread AN fitting to the brake fluid reservoir= on the=0Afire =0Awall with a clear hose to an overflow container.=0A=A0=0A= Fill the supply container and the clear hose attached to the container befo= re =0Aconnecting it to the brake caliper bleeder valve.=A0=A0Hang the suppl= y container a =0Afew feet higher than the level of the brake fluid=0Areserv= oir on the fire wall. =0AConnect the hose to the caliper bleeder valve.=A0= =A0Let the flow of fluid start as =0Ayou before you slide the=0Ahose onto t= he bleeder valve.=A0=A0This small spillage =0Akeeps you from introducing ai= r into the bleeder valve.=A0=A0Before opening the =0Ableeder valve inspect = the clear hose for any trapped air bubbles and let them =0Amigrate up and o= ut.=A0=A0Open the bleeder valve and let=0Agravity do its thing. =0A=A0Since= fluid seeks its own level the fluid will be force through the bleeder =0Av= alve, up through the brake lines,=0Ainto the brake fluid reservoir on the f= ire =0Awall and out the top, into the overflow container.=0A=A0=0A=A0If you= already have air bubbles=0Aat the top of the nylaflow arcs between the =0A= brake peddles you can watch them migrate towards the brake fluid reservoir = =0A=A0When the air=0Abubbles disappear into the flex lines connected to the= fire wall =0Abulkhead fitting you can move outside and watch for them to g= et forced out of =0Athe top of the brake fluid reservoir and the clear hose= you have attached.=A0=A0It =0Ahelps to have that hose go up and then arc d= own so=0Ayou can see the bubbles get =0A"forced up" instead of the fluid ju= st "flowing" out of the top of the =0Areservoir.=A0=A0 Once the air bubbles= =0Astop coming out of the top of the reservoir =0Aclose the bleeder valve o= n the caliper and you should be good to go.=0A=A0=0A=A0The flow of=0Afluid = is rather slow so if you are not thrilled with watching for =0Athe bubbles = you can hook it up in the evening and, as long as the quantity of =0Afluid = in your supply container is adequate, your lines will be purged of air =0Ab= ubble the next morning and the excess fluid will be in the=0Aoverflow =0Aco= ntainer.=A0=A0It is worth keeping the connections & overflow container clea= n so =0Ayou can save the overflow=0Afluid.=0A=A0=0A=A0Hope this helps.=A0= =A0Call or write if any of this needs clarification.=0A=A0=0A=A0Ken=0AKelln= er=0A=A0IV-P=A0=A0N14LK=0A=A0920-858-7535=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0 ----- Ori= ginal Message ----- =0A=A0 From:=0ABrad jepp =0A=A0 To: lml@lancaironline.n= et =0A=A0 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 7:50 PM=0A=A0 Subject: brake=0Acal= iper=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0 Does anyone know the best way to bleed the brakes? I= replaced the "O" rings =0Ain the brake caliper because I=0Ahad a slow drip= . I was careful to remove the =0Aline=0A=A0 from the caliper and then cappe= d off the line while I had the caliper off I =0Ainstalled the caliper after= replacing the "O" rings and then screwed on the =0Aflexible line and had s= omeone=0A=A0 inside apply pressure to=0Athe brake (like in a car) and loose= ned the bottom =0Ableeder valve until fluid ran out. brake is still spongy = . Any help on this=0A=A0 would be=0Agreat. Brad- LIV=0A=0A--=0AFor archives= and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --28998604-1796726037-1326136272=:70286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
air can = be introduced into the brake system by using a pump pressure bottle. It oxy= genates the fluid while it is under pressure. The only way to use a pump pr= essure bottle is to pressurize it only during the few minutes it takes to p= ump the fluid in. If it is stored under pressure it will cause air bubbles = to form in the system and a resulting soft-pedal.
&nbs= p;
Charlie K.
 
See me on the web at=
 

=
= From: "marv@lancair.net" <marv@l= ancair.net>
To: lml= @lancaironline.net
Sent:<= /b> Monday, January 9, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: brake caliper
=0A

Posted for "Ken"=0A<kke= llner1@new.rr.com>:

 Brad,
 
 After 3 attemp= ts with a brake bleeder pump I would have air bubbles settle at=0A
the t= op of the arc in the nylaflow lines between the brake cylinders the day after the bleeding procedure.  Here is what worked for=0Ame.
=  
 See the attached pictures.  The bulkhead fitting = in the cap of the supply
container needs to be sealed with RTV=0Aor it = will leak.  The supply container
also needs a hole in the bot= tom (which becomes the top when hung inverted) to
act as a vent,=0Aand = to allow the ability to add more H-5606 if needed.  Connect
a= hose nipple/pipe thread AN fitting to the brake fluid reservoir on the=0Af= ire
wall with a clear hose to an overflow container.
 
Fill = the supply container and the clear hose attached to the container before=0A=
connecting it to the brake caliper bleeder valve.  Hang the s= upply container a
few feet higher than the level of the brake fluid=0Ar= eservoir on the fire wall.
Connect the hose to the caliper bleeder valv= e.  Let the flow of fluid start as
you before you slide the= =0Ahose onto the bleeder valve.  This small spillage
keeps yo= u from introducing air into the bleeder valve.  Before opening th= e=0A
bleeder valve inspect the clear hose for any trapped air bubbles an= d let them
migrate up and out.  Open the bleeder valve and le= t=0Agravity do its thing.
 Since fluid seeks its own level the flu= id will be force through the bleeder
valve, up through the brake lines,= =0Ainto the brake fluid reservoir on the fire
wall and out the top, int= o the overflow container.
 
 If you already have air bubble= s=0Aat the top of the nylaflow arcs between the
brake peddles you can w= atch them migrate towards the brake fluid reservoir
 When the air= =0Abubbles disappear into the flex lines connected to the fire wall
bul= khead fitting you can move outside and watch for them to get forced out of= =0A
the top of the brake fluid reservoir and the clear hose you have att= ached.  It
helps to have that hose go up and then arc down so= =0Ayou can see the bubbles get
"forced up" instead of the fluid just "f= lowing" out of the top of the
reservoir.   Once the air bubbl= es=0Astop coming out of the top of the reservoir
close the bleeder valv= e on the caliper and you should be good to go.
 
 The flow = of=0Afluid is rather slow so if you are not thrilled with watching for
= the bubbles you can hook it up in the evening and, as long as the quantity = of=0A
fluid in your supply container is adequate, your lines will be pur= ged of air
bubble the next morning and the excess fluid will be in the= =0Aoverflow
container.  It is worth keeping the connections &= amp; overflow container clean so
you can save the overflow=0Afluid.
=  
 Hope this helps.  Call or write if any of this ne= eds clarification.
 
 Ken=0AKellner
 IV-P &nbs= p;N14LK
 920-858-7535
 
 
 
  -----= Original Message -----
  From:=0ABrad jepp
  To: lml@lan= caironline.net
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 7:50 PM
  = Subject: brake=0Acaliper
 
 
  Does anyone know the= best way to bleed the brakes? I replaced the "O" rings
in the brake ca= liper because I=0Ahad a slow drip. I was careful to remove the
line
=   from the caliper and then capped off the line while I had the calipe= r off I=0A
installed the caliper after replacing the "O" rings and then = screwed on the
flexible line and had someone
  inside apply pre= ssure to=0Athe brake (like in a car) and loosened the bottom
bleeder va= lve until fluid ran out. brake is still spongy . Any help on this
 = would be=0Agreat. Brad- LIV
=0A

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