X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from wolverine.webiness.com ([65.61.103.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTPS id 5121720 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:03:37 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.61.103.66; envelope-from=brent@regandesigns.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=regandesigns.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RpejqSS5Dvb+OqnQ6V27y058b3fexHEsawZCMIYPqqU3SgqZjPBLR6YZjp0HJKIp3jcmnndyYpCOzuf9GP/zAOoienOfVs7BvLYrlo1vLT2H3581jG8a52x2DQgu/9bo; Received: from 50-37-82-31.mscw.id.frontiernet.net ([50.37.82.31] helo=[192.168.1.146]) by wolverine.webiness.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R380W-00022c-BW for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:01:12 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <4E6E1EC7.5050307@regandesigns.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:01:27 -0700 From: Brent Regan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: Figuring out the pressurization system IV-P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wolverine.webiness.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - regandesigns.com Pete Writes: <> Pete's statement is mostly true but indicates some misconceptions about pressurization. FIrst, the design operating point is 5.0 PSI differential (Inside Pressure - Outside Pressure). 5.5 PSI is when the over Pressure Relief valve should start to open. The design flow through the cabin is specified by the FAA at 10 SCFM per passenger, 40 SCFM for a IV-P. Second, planes leak air. The pressurization system utilizes a Sonic Venturi to provide air from the Deck (after the turbo but before the throttle) to the cabin. A Sonic Venturi is a little like a Black Hole in that what happens downstream doesn't much effect what is happening upstream so releasing the door seal does not significantly change the Deck Pressure. Deck Pressure is above Manifold Pressure by an amount determined by the Waste Gate Controller, but usually runs around 2 InHg. Regulation of cabin pressure is done by the Outflow Valve which controls how much air leaves the cabin. Air can also leave the cabin via air leaks. All planes leak and the amount of the leakage varies from one aircraft to another. A perfectly sealed cabin could be pressurized with a bicycle pump, but this would require the smallest pinhole be plugged. In practice, a well sealed IV-P can be pressurised on the ground with a 10Hp air compressor. I performed a static ground proof test on my plane to 7.5 PSI (150% of operating pressure). It took me two days of chasing leaks to achieve that pressure. Third, Cabin Altitude is the absolute pressure altitude of the cabin while Cabin Pressure is the differential between inside pressure and outside pressure. From all this we can deduce that the manifold pressure needed to maintain a specified Cabin Pressure is a function of Altitude and Leakage. At FL280 the ambient pressure is 9.75 InHg. 5 PSI is equal to 10.15 InHg so if we assume the condition where the deck pressure is 2 InHg over manifold and the Sonic Venture pressure drop is also 2 InHg, the minimum needed manifold pressure is about 20 InHg, assuming low leakage. As the leakage increases the outflow valve must restrict its flow until at some leakage rate the outflow valve is completely closed and can no longer control the cabin pressure. As the leakage rate increases above this point the manifold pressure In conclusion, every aircraft's leakage rate is different, so the relationship between Cabin Pressure, Manifold Pressure and Altitude will be different for every aircraft. Get to know your aircraft with flight testing. You will gain valuable knowledge, skills and become a better pilot. Regards Brent Regan