X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp204.dfw.emailsrvr.com ([67.192.241.204] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTPS id 5099276 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:06:53 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.192.241.204; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A3E4425834E for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:06:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: walter-AT-advancedpilot.com) with ESMTPSA id 83A44258090 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Walter Atkinson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-656925778 Subject: Danny--How do I run lean of peak? X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:06:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <591FD7D1-431A-4FD4-8F81-B816EBBB5D20@advancedpilot.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-1-656925778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Danny: How's things at Shadetree? If you are thinking that the ROI is about fuel savings you have missed = the point. While that is nice and adds up over time the real return is = on what you learn about your engine , its operation, and its = maintenance. For example, the stuff on engine monitors could easily = save you the tuition cost in one flight, save the engine or you and = Janet's butts. The section on detonation and preignition, how to = recognize them and what to do about them is not about fuel saving... = it's about life saving. While the APS class is known as the "LOP School", that is only about 5% = of the course. (We teach optimal mixture management whether ROP or = LOP.) (BTW, forwarded your email about the reunion to Pat) Walter On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Danny Miller wrote: I=92m not convinced of the ROI for spending $995 on this course in my = particular case. As an example, for my LNC2 with an IO-360, if I burn 9 = gph running ROP and 8.5 gph running LOP (best case scenario), how long = does it take to recover the expense? To keep it simple, let=92s say I = spend $6/gal. So, that=92s $995 x gal/$6 / 0.5gph =3D 331.7 hrs, or = about 3 years of flying. So, the question becomes, is it worth all the = hub bub? Again, for me, I think not. For you guys with the high burn = rates, maybe so. But what is your actual hourly saving and is it worth = the additional stress on your engines for the potentially much lower = TBO? You decide and your mileage may vary. =20 Danny Miller N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" =20 From: Steve Colwell [mailto:mcmess1919@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:40 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: How do I run lean of peak? =20 Claudette and I attended the Advanced Pilot Course a couple of years = ago. Of the 50 or so attendees, (and there were skeptics,) I don=92t = think anyone left without agreement their procedures are the best way to = operate an engine. The presentation is easy to follow with complete = explanation of what is happening and why. Any remaining questions are = answered and everything is documented. The cost of the course should be = easily amortized by fuel savings and reduced maintenance. They even = provide very comfortable swivel chairs.=20 =20 Steve Colwell Legacy IO-550 =20 =20 Subject: [LML] How do I run lean of peak? =20 If you operate your engine ROP at high power settings you have a much = greater chance of damaging your engine than by anything you might do = LOP. =20 The next Live APS class is October 7-9. =20 Walter Atkinson Advanced Pilot Seminars =20 =20 --Apple-Mail-1-656925778 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Danny:

How's things at = Shadetree?

If you are thinking that the ROI is = about fuel savings you have missed the point.  While that is nice = and adds up over time the real return is on what you learn about your = engine , its operation, and its maintenance.  For example, the = stuff on engine monitors could easily save you the tuition cost in one = flight, save the engine or you and Janet's butts.  <g> =  The section on detonation and preignition, how to recognize them = and what to do about them is not about fuel saving...  it's about = life saving.

While the APS class is known as = the "LOP School", that is only about 5% of the course.  (We teach = optimal mixture management whether ROP or = LOP.)

(BTW, forwarded your email about the = reunion to = Pat)

Walter



On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Danny Miller = wrote:

I=92m not convinced of the ROI for spending $995 on this = course in my particular case.  As an example, for my LNC2 with an = IO-360, if I burn 9 gph running ROP and 8.5 gph running LOP (best case = scenario), how long does it take to recover the expense?  To keep = it simple, let=92s say I spend $6/gal.  So, that=92s $995 x gal/$6 = / 0.5gph =3D 331.7 hrs, or about 3 years of flying.  So, the = question becomes, is it worth all the hub bub?  Again, for me, I = think not.  For you guys with the high burn rates, maybe so.  = But what is your actual hourly saving and is it worth the additional = stress on your engines for the potentially much lower TBO?  You = decide and your mileage may vary.
Danny = Miller
N 38=B0 43' = 25.7"
W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"
From: Steve = Colwell [mailto:mcmess1919@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 = 12:40 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: How do I run lean of = peak?
Claudette and I attended the Advanced = Pilot Course a couple of years ago.  Of the 50 or so attendees, = (and there were skeptics,) I don=92t think anyone left without agreement = their procedures are the best way to operate an engine.  The = presentation is easy to follow with complete explanation of what is = happening and why.  Any remaining questions are answered and = everything is documented.  The cost of the course should be easily = amortized by fuel savings and reduced maintenance.  They even = provide very comfortable swivel = chairs. 
Steve = Colwell  Legacy IO-550
 

 [LML] How do I run lean of = peak?
If you = operate your engine ROP at high power settings you have a much greater = chance of damaging your engine than by anything you might do = LOP.
The next Live APS class is October = 7-9.
Walter = Atkinson
Advanced Pilot = Seminars