X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTP id 5096794 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:01:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=liegner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WroNjMW/ImYIe9yy96gm+yiBGqiyomdjurVQpDkwhD4Iri/zog2GyuY0mn73PIZr; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QuCVy-0002kV-Lc; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:00:46 -0400 Received: from 71.53.5.73 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:00:46 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <32739455.1313712046620.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Original-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:00:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: liegner@earthlink.net Reply-To: liegner@earthlink.net X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: What are your numbers?? LIVP and LOP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: edc6c9c2805b57e3d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad8615b6343c57974f0b2c0cd23352e28507350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 We all have leaky cabins. It is just a matter of degree. =20 My cabin maintains full cabin pressure at 16000' (simply for example) down = to 24" MAP, but not in the flight levels. At FL240, it is less compliant w= ith a more rapid drop and slower recovery (degrading at 28" MAP). =20 My Duke's valve is set for a slow climb (regardless of actual altitude) to = avoid ear pops. A faster Duke's response rate/setting would prevent a rapi= d decompression with big throttle pull (heading to lower MAP). After a successful climb to flight levels, at FL240 level cruise, with cabi= n differential 5.0 psi (and stable), 34" MAP (or 31" MAP) on the throttle: = if you pull back to 28" MAP, who among us will maintain a steady 5.0 psi d= ifferential? Or will your cabin climb (maybe above 12.5K') with the thrott= le pull? And at 28" MAP, how long will it take to restore a 5 psi differen= tial at FL 240 after some additional Duke's Valve outflow restriction (base= d on rate setting)? Will your spouse's ears pop, and will she ask about th= e pressurization concern? A reduction from 36.5" MAP (full power ) to 28" MAP (a 8.5" or 3 psi drop i= n siphoning of MAP for cabin), who does not experience a reduced cabin diff= erential? Likewise, if you set the cabin rate high (to avoid this rapid drop at Fligh= t Level cruise), would you not also experience a rapid pressurization durin= g your take off role, when the MAP rises from 10" to 38.5" inside of a few = seconds, and the Duke's setting allows a rapid cabin change? Perhaps the c= abin altitude setting (airport elevation) prevents this. Perhaps I need to= change from a slow climb to a rapid climb rate. Jeff you probably have a leaky cabin >If I quickly reduced MAP to 31", and particularly to 28" MAP, the cabin al= titude=20 >would quickly climb to >14,000' and the Duke's regulator would take severa= l minutes=20 >to equilibrate.=C2=A0 And even then, it might not be able to restore 5.0 p= si=20 >differential (at 28" MAP).=C2=A0 So, all this talk of lower MAP