X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:30:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com ([207.97.245.134] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5064952 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:58:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.97.245.134; envelope-from=lalcorn@natca.net Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E24CD58486; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:57:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: lalcorn-AT-natca.net) with ESMTPSA id 188875845E; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:57:38 -0400 (EDT) References: <005501cc4c4e$318595a0$9490c0e0$@miller@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <005501cc4c4e$318595a0$9490c0e0$@miller@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-600691333 X-Original-Message-Id: <3AB9839B-5E77-42AF-8019-F04326E9745D@natca.net> X-Original-Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Luke Alcorn Subject: Re: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:57:31 -0400 X-Original-To: Danny Miller --Apple-Mail-1-600691333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 If you still want to activate a Vfr flight plan you would also need to file a= Vfr flight plan and then open and close it with flight service. If you are o= n flight following there is really no reason to also do a Vfr flight plan. I= f you go down the search and rescue timeline is much better on flight follow= ing than FSS waiting until you are 30 minutes overdue at your destination an= d then they start looking.=20 Luke Alcorn On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:13 AM, "Danny Miller" wrote= : > Luke, >=20 > If I use this procedure, do I still have to open my flight plan with the FS= S or is automatically opened in the same manner as an IFR flight plan? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Danny Miller >=20 > N 38=B0 43' 25.7" >=20 > W 77=B0 30' 38.6" >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: lalcorn@natca.net [mailto:lalcorn@natca.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:48 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans >=20 > =20 >=20 > I miss spoke on my previous post about how to file the VFR flight plan to g= et it in the system 100% of the time. If you use DUATS/DUAT, you will need t= o select IFR domestic or ICAO flight plan. Then enter the altitude as VFR/0= 75 or what ever your cruise altitude will be. VFR/115 VFR/165 etc. By se= lecting the IFR flight plan, that will send it to the center computer which w= ill put it in the IFR system. If you select VFR flight plan, it sends it to= FSS's computer, which will not enter it in the centers computer. When ever= you file the flight plan, the message DUATS sends back will tell you where i= t went when it filled it. The center computers names all start with a Z, i.= e. ZJX is jacksonville center, ZTL is atlanta center, ZFW is fort worth cent= er, etc. If you see the message, filled with MCN or GNV, that means the fli= ght plan was filled as a VFR only and went into the FSS computer, which does= not send the flight plan into the ATC system. I tried this with fltplan.co= m and it will not let you select a VFR altitude for an IFR flight plan, so I= do not know if it can be done through that site, but I don't use fltplan.co= m so I can not be sure. >=20 > I have tested this at work and it works great every time. It also puts a f= light plan sitting in our departure list, so when you call ATC up for flight= following, we already have all of your information. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Luke Alcorn > NATCA ZJX Safety Rep --Apple-Mail-1-600691333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
If you still want to activate a Vfr fli= ght plan you would also need to file a Vfr flight plan and then open and clo= se it with flight service. If you are on flight following there is really no= reason to also do a Vfr flight plan. If you go down the search and rescue t= imeline is much better on flight following than FSS waiting until you are 30= minutes overdue at your destination and then they start looking. 

Luke Alcorn

On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:13 AM, "Danny Mill= er" <danny.miller@verizon.net= > wrote:

= Luke,

If I use this procedure, do I still have to open my flight plan w= ith the FSS or is automatically opened in the same manner as an IFR flight p= lan?

 

Danny Miller=

N 38=C2=B0 43' 25.7"

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none">W 77=C2=B0 30' 38.6"

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: lalcorn@natca.net [mailto:lalcorn= @natca.net]
Sent: Tuesday= , July 26, 2011 7:48 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans

 

I miss spoke on my previous post abo= ut how to file the VFR flight plan to get it in the system 100% of the time.=   If you use DUATS/DUAT, you will need to select IFR domestic or ICAO f= light plan.  Then enter the altitude as VFR/075  or what ever your= cruise altitude will be.  VFR/115 VFR/165  etc.  By selectin= g the IFR flight plan, that will send it to the center computer which will p= ut it in the IFR system.  If you select VFR flight plan, it sends it to= FSS's computer, which will not enter it in the centers computer.  When= ever you file the flight plan, the message DUATS sends back will tell you w= here it went when it filled it.  The center computers names all start w= ith a Z, i.e. ZJX is jacksonville center, ZTL is atlanta center, ZFW is fort= worth center, etc.  If you see the message, filled with MCN or GNV, th= at means the flight plan was filled as a VFR only and went into the FSS comp= uter, which does not send the flight plan into the ATC system.  I tried= this with fltplan.com and it will not le= t you select a VFR altitude for an IFR flight plan, so I do not know if it c= an be done through that site, but I don't use fltplan.com so I can not be sure.

I have tested this at work and it works g= reat every time.  It also puts a flight plan sitting in our departure l= ist, so when you call ATC up for flight following, we already have all of yo= ur information.

 

Luke Alcorn
NATCA ZJX Safety Rep

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