X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5057141 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:57:56 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.198]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6JKvDOj029679 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:57:13 -0400 Received: from [10.48.67.134] (mobile-166-137-142-061.mycingular.net [166.137.142.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id D3F86E0000B3; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:57:12 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--58133944 X-Original-Message-Id: <3CAE703A-09F4-43BD-BAF7-DC4C05D48814@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flight Following in SoCal X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:57:07 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:477941696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c64e25efa86d36 X-AOL-IP: 166.137.142.61 --Apple-Mail-28--58133944 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would love to hear it! AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:32 AM, "Ron Galbraith" wrote: > If you want to help out the controllers and be assured your flight shows u= p in the ATC system (on flightaware and others) then always file an IFR flig= ht plan even if you plan to go VFR. Just call the controller and say you h= ave an IFR on file, but you'd like to depart VFR and have flight following. = It's a lot easier for a controller to depart your flight plan, then change= the altitude to VFR than it is to type in the entire flight plan.=20 >=20 > I might do a ATC seminar at the Branson fly-in if there is interest. (or a= t OSH).=20 >=20 > Ron >=20 > =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Craig Berland. >> Sent: 07/18/11 01:55 PM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: [LML] Flight Following in SoCal >>=20 >> Rob, >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> I have just the oposite experience. I live in the Phoenix area and fly t= o SOCAL at least once a month. I have two trips scheduled this week. I can= regularly get flight following by asking Ground Control or Clearance Delive= ry at many SOCAL airports. This is very nice and not available in Phoenix. = I have never entered SOCAL airspace without the wonderful folks at SOCAL ap= proach helping me out. Getting in and out of SOCAL IFR can test your patien= ce but it is always very professional as you state. >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Craig Berland >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> I agree that flight following is a valuable service. However, last time I= asked for it in the Southern California area the controller responded: "Una= ble flight following -- multiple targets, all altitudes, all quadrants -- go= od luck!"=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Of course, it was a pleasant Saturday afternoon, I was about ten miles fr= om Torrance, and it seemed like every airplane in the basin was up flying. W= hen I flew IFR in my Cessna 150 on a Tuesday morning a month later I seemed t= o have the entire airspace to myself.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Flight following in SoCal? It's great. Except I can't get it when I rea= lly need it...=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> - Rob Wolf >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-28--58133944 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:32 AM, "Ron Galbraith" <cfi@instructor.net> wrote:

If you want to help out the controllers and be assured your flight shows up in the ATC system (on flightaware and others) then always file an IFR flight plan even if you plan to go VFR.   Just call the controller and say you have an IFR on file, but you'd like to depart VFR and have flight following.   It's a lot easier for a controller to depart your flight plan, then change the altitude to VFR than it is to type in the entire flight plan. 

I might do a ATC seminar at the Branson fly-in if there is interest.  (or at OSH). 

Ron

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Craig Berland.

Sent: 07/18/11 01:55 PM

To: lml@lancaironline.net

Subject: [LML] Flight Following in SoCal


Rob,

 

 

I have just the oposite experience.  I live in the Phoenix area and fly to SOCAL at least once a month.  I have two trips scheduled this week.  I can regularly get flight following by asking Ground Control or Clearance Delivery at many SOCAL airports.  This is very nice and not available in Phoenix.  I have never entered SOCAL airspace without the wonderful folks at SOCAL approach helping me out.  Getting in and out of SOCAL IFR can test your patience but it is always very professional as you state.

 

 

Craig Berland

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that flight following is a valuable service.  However, last time I asked for it in the Southern California area the controller responded: "Unable flight following -- multiple targets, all altitudes, all quadrants -- good luck!" 

 

 

Of course, it was a pleasant Saturday afternoon, I was about ten miles from Torrance, and it seemed like every airplane in the basin was up flying.  When I flew IFR in my Cessna 150 on a Tuesday morning a month later I seemed to have the entire airspace to myself. 

 

 

Flight following in SoCal?  It's great.  Except I can't get it when I really need it... 

 

 

- Rob Wolf

 

 

 

 

 

 
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