X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5056131 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:08:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.96; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 01:07:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.4] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 01:07:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2011 01:07:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 239968.84646.bm@omp1004.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 17472 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2011 01:07:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MSvoZmfdQkJBCsEFTJCbWMraS9/4OwkgpeLf390/cMhIAwBFH26hxw9LgScnDBx00tyhHE36XhnP8RzA4JyKA9BQ/EVA6rGijz5KOLv5zdypBUH3xIbLlWMr68kPJDlBFUqeeAi5UHQNl21n6Qw/Qm+wcS/YvaE3zvpBizzFx94=; X-YMail-OSG: gJfIKQIVM1mBx2BWieWBWaMB12Vpu56D5f84jasjICikZ_p 5AIXeIhsXO1hPOUrE5b0dm8XPhupCJeR4V8fjC3zgQkQncXil_qSDXVr5M6y ywpQlK0wPCBzp04zG9vQOoWHN57nQfY__5wHGKRpwFkdnhcBW6r3cwOp6aWT OAFKVCnWxFfodhLKFdPTt6U_whZqPjVMfs4yzr6cGzT5CRQ_3deRffJICZWR a45QcajdsOKzf6aooiSAGmCJRk4k6Y4zYTi8JoKzX_EoJzh6Dn2_IQd3jc33 2l0Pwf4SCV6p753bkT8ejO9yfNBOxtls2nVCGXDbRDRwD_doPMAw8dZBtGN6 _AEph63A_3EHKDi3o5IgODcWecGTYqPMFVjIExiKi432jAaxFHE35QgmmnrI Win8wmYIcmXiXUw-- Received: from [76.8.220.21] by web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:07:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.112.307740 X-Original-Message-ID: <1311037677.17447.YahooMailClassic@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Oshkosh checklist X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2035990775-1311037677=:17447" --0-2035990775-1311037677=:17447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent points Ron, Also, If you need the speed, use the warbird approach.=20 I have done that. Circling with an SX300 and a biz jet over war bird island= then direct to the #'s when they have a gap.. from 5 miles even I look lik= e a legacy... Randy Snarr N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Mon, 7/18/11, Ron Galbraith wrote: From: Ron Galbraith Subject: [LML] Re: Oshkosh checklist To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 2:12 PM I want to 2nd Jeff's recommendations.=A0=A0 A couple years ago a Legacy was= in the pattern, the controller was pushing him to "keep it in tight".=A0= =A0 He did.=A0 While turning short final they stalled, flipped over into a = spin and impacted the ground upside down at about 45 degree angle.=A0=A0 Th= ey were loaded with enough camping equipment for two people plus all their = luggage for a weeks stay.=A0 I didn't know you could cram that much stuff i= n.=A0 (had the pilot flown a pattern before loaded like this?).=A0 Not tryi= ng to be morbid here, but these are things we all want to avoid seeing agai= n.=A0 Being there at ground zero was not a very pleasant experience.=A0 IF = you start feeling in over your head don't continue.=A0 Go-around and start = over.=A0 If you just can't get comfortable in the pattern then go land at F= ond Du Lac and catch the bus.=A0=A0 IF you want to bring your plane in but = are new to the whole OSH thing, then land at Fond Du Lac and get someone ex= perienced to fly into the show with you.=A0 I've flown in many times doing this and = would be glad to help anyone again.=A0=A0 =0A =0ASee you all there. =0A =0ARon Galbraith =0A =0A =0A=09=A0 =0A =0A=09 =0A=09=09----- Original Message ----- =0A=09 =0A= =09=09From: vtailjeff@aol.com =0A=09 =0A=09=09Sent: 07/18/11 12:26 PM =0A= =09 =0A=09=09To: lml@lancaironline.net =0A=09 =0A=09=09Subject: [LML] Oshko= sh checklist =0A=09 =0A=09 =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=09 =0A=09=09=091. Please practice your slow flight, spot landings, and go aro= unds before you go! =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=092. Download the NOTAM =0A=09=09 = =0A=09=09=093. Watch your weight and balance =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=09=A0 =0A= =09=09 =0A=09=09=09=A0 =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=09Jeff =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=09cfi =0A=09=09=09 =0A=09=09 =0A=09=09=09=A0 =0A=09 =0A =0A =0A=09=A0 =0A=0A --0-2035990775-1311037677=:17447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent points Ron,
Also, If you need th= e speed,
use the warbird approach.
I have done that. Circling with a= n SX300 and a biz jet over war bird island then direct to the #'s when they= have a gap.. from 5 miles even I look like a legacy...
Randy Snarr
N= 694RS

"Flight by machines heavier= than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Ron Galbraith = <cfi@instructor.net> wrote:

F= rom: Ron Galbraith <cfi@instructor.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: Oshkosh= checklist
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 2:1= 2 PM

= I want to 2nd Jeff's recommendations.  = ; A couple years ago a Legacy was in the pattern, the controller was pushin= g him to "keep it in tight".   He did.  While turning short = final they stalled, flipped over into a spin and impacted the ground upside= down at about 45 degree angle.   They were loaded with enough ca= mping equipment for two people plus all their luggage for a weeks stay.&nbs= p; I didn't know you could cram that much stuff in.  (had the pilot fl= own a pattern before loaded like this?).  Not trying to be morbid here= , but these are things we all want to avoid seeing again.  Being there= at ground zero was not a very pleasant experience.  IF you start feel= ing in over your head don't continue.  Go-around and start over. = If you just can't get comfortable in the pattern then go land at Fond Du L= ac and catch the bus.   IF you want to bring your plane in but are new to the whole OSH thing, then land at Fond Du Lac and get someo= ne experienced to fly into the show with you.  I've flown in many time= s doing this and would be glad to help anyone again.  
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