X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5056610 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:13:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=MikeEasley@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6JCCLQA030608 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:12:21 -0400 Received: from core-mke003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mke003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.98.201]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 692A6E00008B for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeEasley@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <2b105.29d9298a.3b56cea5@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Oshkosh checklist X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b105.29d9298a.3b56cea5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5003 X-AOL-IP: 75.71.55.189 X-Originating-IP: [75.71.55.189] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472953152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4e2574a512ce --part1_2b105.29d9298a.3b56cea5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess this would be 3rd-ing Jeff's and Ron's recommendations. I would like to add that it's good to arrive when it's not crowded if you can. My first trip to Oshkosh was at a time when there was very light traffic. It prepared me for the next time when I had much more pressure to keep it tight, hit the right colored spot, turn off onto the grass, etc. You'll fly slower, turn tighter, and have almost no final approach at Oshkosh. Last time I flew a continuous 180 while slowing, lowering the flaps, aiming at a point well beyond the numbers; which is not even close to my normal procedure. I was heavy too with camping gear, luggage, etc. Ron is the guy who recommended I practice this maneuver at home before I go. The ES can fly pretty slowly, so fitting in with the low arrival is pretty straightforward. That's not the case for the rest of the Lancairs. I saw a IV go around twice a couple years ago because he kept overrunning the aircraft in front of him. Mike Easley Colorado Springs In a message dated 7/18/2011 2:12:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cfi@instructor.net writes: I want to 2nd Jeff's recommendations. A couple years ago a Legacy was in the pattern, the controller was pushing him to "keep it in tight". He did. While turning short final they stalled, flipped over into a spin and impacted the ground upside down at about 45 degree angle. They were loaded with enough camping equipment for two people plus all their luggage for a weeks stay. I didn't know you could cram that much stuff in. (had the pilot flown a pattern before loaded like this?). Not trying to be morbid here, but these are things we all want to avoid seeing again. Being there at ground zero was not a very pleasant experience. IF you start feeling in over your head don't continue. Go-around and start over. If you just can't get comfortable in the pattern then go land at Fond Du Lac and catch the bus. IF you want to bring your plane in but are new to the whole OSH thing, then land at Fond Du Lac and get someone experienced to fly into the show with you. I've flown in many times doing this and would be glad to help anyone again. See you all there. Ron Galbraith ----- Original Message ----- From: vtailjeff@aol.com Sent: 07/18/11 12:26 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Oshkosh checklist 1. Please practice your slow flight, spot landings, and go arounds before you go! 2. Download the NOTAM 3. Watch your weight and balance Jeff cfi --part1_2b105.29d9298a.3b56cea5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess this would be 3rd-ing Jeff's and Ron's recommendations.  = I=20 would like to add that it's good to arrive when it's not crowded if you=20 can.  My first trip to Oshkosh was at a time when there was very = light=20 traffic.  It prepared me for the next time when I had much more pressu= re to=20 keep it tight, hit the right colored spot, turn off onto the grass, etc.
 
You'll fly slower, turn tighter, and have almost no final approach at= =20 Oshkosh.  Last time I flew a continuous 180 while slowing, lowering th= e=20 flaps, aiming at a point well beyond the numbers; which is not even close t= o my=20 normal procedure.  I was heavy too with camping gear, luggage, etc.
 
Ron is the guy who recommended I practice this maneuver at home before= I=20 go.
 
The ES can fly pretty slowly, so fitting in with the low arrival is pr= etty=20 straightforward. That's not the case for the rest of the Lancairs.  I = saw a=20 IV go around twice a couple years ago because he kept overrunning the aircr= aft=20 in front of him.
 
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2011 2:12:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,=20 cfi@instructor.net writes:
= I want to = 2nd=20 Jeff's recommendations.   A couple years ago a Legacy was in th= e=20 pattern, the controller was pushing him to "keep it in tight".  = ; He=20 did.  While turning short final they stalled, flipped over into a sp= in=20 and impacted the ground upside down at about 45 degree angle.  = They=20 were loaded with enough camping equipment for two people plus all their= =20 luggage for a weeks stay.  I didn't know you could cram that much st= uff=20 in.  (had the pilot flown a pattern before loaded like this?). = Not=20 trying to be morbid here, but these are things we all want to avoid seein= g=20 again.  Being there at ground zero was not a very pleasant=20 experience.  IF you start feeling in over your head don't continue.&= nbsp;=20 Go-around and start over.  If you just can't get comfortable in the= =20 pattern then go land at Fond Du Lac and catch the bus.   IF you= want=20 to bring your plane in but are new to the whole OSH thing, then land at F= ond=20 Du Lac and get someone experienced to fly into the show with you.  I= 've=20 flown in many times doing this and would be glad to help anyone=20 again.  

See you all there.

Ron Galbraith

 

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From:=20 vtailjeff@aol.com

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Subject:= [LML]=20 Oshkosh checklist



1. Please practice y= our slow=20 flight, spot landings, and go arounds before you go!
2. Download the NOTAM
3. Watch your weight and= =20 balance
 
 
Jeff
cfi
 
 

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