X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5055704 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:59:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.146; envelope-from=N66mg@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6IHwUdv019109; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:58:30 -0400 Received: from core-dqd005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.17]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id BF3DBE000081; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: N66mg@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <2c305.753baa23.3b55ce45@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Certified vs Experimental Flight Hours X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net, wfhannahan@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2c305.753baa23.3b55ce45_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-AOL-IP: 68.225.243.134 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.243.134] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425969376:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b4e247445571b --part1_2c305.753baa23.3b55ce45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Just how does it $25 everytime you key the mike =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 7/18/2011 9:27:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =20 wfhannahan@yahoo.com writes: Free? It costs the taxpayers about $25 bucks every time you key the mike. Regards, Bill Hannahan _wfhannahan@yahoo.com_ (mailto:wfhannahan@yahoo.com)=20 --- On Sun, 7/17/11, N66mg@aol.com wrote: From: N66mg@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: Certified vs Experimental Flight Hours To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:11 AM It's hard to believe that most pilots don't use it at all, flight=20 following...I can't figure that one out...It's free and keeps you up to da= te and =20 watches out for you...In southern California it would be nuts not to use i= t=20 with all the traffic here Michael n66mg n7sz 94% =20 =20 In a message dated 7/14/2011 9:47:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes: Ron, That gives an interesting picture, but you should remember that you must either file IFR or request flight following to show up on flight aware. I don=E2=80=99t think many experimental pilots do that. I would probably es= timate that at any given time that 90%+ of the experimental planes aloft will no= t show up. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ron Laughlin Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:51 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Certified vs Experimental Flight Hours Hmmm, You might want to check FlightAware's website from time to time and see how many experimentals are in the system at any given time. I find only 2 Glassairs and one Lancair at the moment. There are a bunch of certifieds (62 Cirrus's and 51 SkyHawks, etc.). Ron On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Ted Noel wrote: > Interesting observation, but not adjusted for age. Experimentals are > generally newer than production A/C, and those thousands of hours represent > how many last year???? It's possible for both observations to be true. > > Ted Noel > N540TF > > On 7/13/2011 8:19 AM, rwolf99@aol.com wrote: > > Randy writes: > > <> certifieds...>> > > I don't see how that could be. One year at Oshkosh there was a special > display area for homebuilts with over 1000 hours. There were just a > handful. Bill Hannahan's Lancair was one of them. On the other side of the > runway were thousands of spam-cans, all certified. I'll bet that none = =20 had > less than 1000 hours, and most had more than 2000 hours. > > Further, every experimental for sale in Trade-a-Plane or ASO.com seems t= o > have between 100 and maybe 500 hours. Virtually all spam cans have > thousands. > > As to the real question -- do homebuilt owners fly their airplanes more > hours per year than spam can owners -- I have no idea. > > - Rob Wolf > > p.s. I do not use the term "spam can" as pejorative. I used to own one and > had a lot of fun with it. > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3764 - Release Date: 07/14/11 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l -- For archives and unsub =20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --part1_2c305.753baa23.3b55ce45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Just how does it= $25=20 everytime you key the mike
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2011 9:27:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 wfhannahan@yahoo.com writes:
=
Free? It costs the taxpayers about $25 bucks every t= ime=20 you key the mike.

Regards,
Bill Hannahan


--- On Sun= ,=20 7/17/11, N66mg@aol.com <N66mg@aol.com> wrote:

From:=20 N66mg@aol.com <N66mg@aol.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Certifi= ed vs=20 Experimental Flight Hours
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date:= =20 Sunday, July 17, 2011, 8:11 AM

It's h= ard to=20 believe that most pilots don't use it at all, flight following...= I=20 can't figure that one out...It's free and keeps you up to date an= d=20 watches out for you...In southern California it would be nuts not= to=20 use it with all the traffic here
Michael
n66mg
n7sz= =20 94%
 
In a message dated 7/14/2011 9:47:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight T= ime,=20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes:
Ron,

That gives an interesting picture, but= you=20 should remember that you must
either file IFR or request fli= ght=20 following to show up on flight aware.  I
don=E2=80=99t = think many=20 experimental pilots do that.  I would probably estimatethat=20 at any given time that 90%+ of the experimental planes aloft wi= ll=20 not
show up.


Bill B


-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ron
Laughlin
= Sent:=20 Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:51 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Certified vs=20 Experimental Flight Hours

Hmmm, You might want to check= =20 FlightAware's website from time to time
and see how many=20 experimentals are in the system at any given time. I
find on= ly 2=20 Glassairs and one Lancair at the moment. There are a bunch
o= f=20 certifieds (62 Cirrus's and 51 SkyHawks,=20 etc.).

<http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/>=

Ron



On=20 Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Ted Noel <tednoel@cfl.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
> Interesting observation, but not adjusted for ag= e.=20 Experimentals are
> generally newer than production A/C, = and=20 those thousands of hours
represent
> how many last yea= r????=20 It's possible for both observations to be true.
>
>= Ted=20 Noel
> N540TF
>
> On 7/13/2011 8:19 AM,=20 rwolf99@aol.com wrote:
>
> Randy writes:
>>=20 <> certifieds...>>
>
> I don't see h= ow=20 that could be.  One year at Oshkosh there was a special>=20 display area for homebuilts with over 1000 hours.  There w= ere=20 just a
> handful.  Bill Hannahan's Lancair was one o= f=20 them.  On the other side of
the
> runway wer= e=20 thousands of spam-cans, all certified.  I'll bet that none= =20 had
> less than 1000 hours, and most had more than 2000= =20 hours.
>
> Further, every experimental for sale in= =20 Trade-a-Plane or ASO.com seems to
> have between 100 and = maybe=20 500 hours.  Virtually all spam cans have
>=20 thousands.
>
> As to the real question -- do homebu= ilt=20 owners fly their airplanes more
> hours per year tha= n=20 spam can owners -- I have no idea.
>
> - Rob=20 Wolf
>
> p.s.  I do not use the term "spam can= " as=20 pejorative.  I used to own one
and
> had a lot of= fun=20 with it.
>
>
>=20 ________________________________
>
> No virus found= in=20 this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Vers= ion:=20 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3764 - Release Date:=20 07/14/11

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