X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5053098 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:15:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.16; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8JTi1h0061u4NiLA1KEvX9; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:14:55 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([98.247.34.213]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8KEC1h01X4buoVN8hKEDKf; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:14:14 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-50--409869703 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fuel smell in cockpit X-Original-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:14:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-50--409869703 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting that the older models of Cessna actually had ash trays = installed for the smoking convenience of the pilot and passengers while = they flew. Imaging a fuel leak and an open flame. As an F-4 back seater, one particular pilot always asked me to fly home = from the bombing range so he could drop his mask and have a smoke on the = way. Same guy who flew (without me in the back seat) through the "Box" = (area 51) twice in one Red Flag mission. The guys in black PJ's met he = and his back seater at the plane, after landing (his wingman too), and = we didn't see him for a couple of days. I'm confident they did the Men = in Black Flashy Thingie on him so he wouldn't remember what he saw. John=20 IVP N413AJ 300 hours and waiting for Spring in Seattle, 52 degrees and = drizzling.... =20 On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Bryan Wullner wrote: Thats called NOD in the "Safety Management System" world. Normalization = of Deviance. Its the main reason we continue to break airpanes and kill = people.=20 Bryan On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:54 AM, "Ron Galbraith" = wrote: > You should NEVER smell fuel in the cockpit at any time. If you do, = this should be an immediate red flag and indicates a fuel leak. Every = time I open the door on an airplane, I smell for fuel. I cannot count = the number of times I've mentioned a fuel smell to the owner when I was = to give flight instruction and the answer was always. "yes, it smells = like that if the plane has been shut up for a while-that's normal". = This is not normal and even though it may be a small leak, it is a leak = and that is dangerous on several levels. Just because that's the way = it's always been doesn't mean its ok. =20 >=20 > RonG --Apple-Mail-50--409869703 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

John

IVP N413AJ 300 hours = and waiting for Spring in Seattle, 52 degrees and drizzling.... =

On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:40 = AM, Bryan Wullner wrote:

Thats called NOD in the "Safety Management System" world. Normalization of = Deviance. Its the main reason we continue to break airpanes and kill = people.

Bryan

On Jul 13, 2011, = at 11:54 AM, "Ron Galbraith" <cfi@instructor.net> = wrote:

You should = NEVER smell fuel in the cockpit at any time. If you do, this = should be an immediate red flag and indicates a fuel leak. Every = time I open the door on an airplane, I smell for fuel. I cannot = count the number of times I've mentioned a fuel smell to the owner when = I was to give flight instruction and the answer was always. "yes, = it smells like that if the plane has been shut up for a while-that's = normal". This is not normal and even though it may be a = small leak, it is a leak and that is dangerous on several levels. = Just because that's the way it's always been doesn't mean its = ok.
=20
=20 RonG

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