X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5048442 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:38:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6BGc5IR011159 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:38:05 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.106d.94edcae (43963) for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.168]) by cia-dd02.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD024-b2334e1b26e12a4; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:38:01 -0400 Received: from Webmail-d125 (webmail-d125.sim.aol.com [205.188.252.73]) by smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE018-b2334e1b26e12a4; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:37:53 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: another Lancair X-Original-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:37:53 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.62.75.10 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE0E000421D899_1120_55CEE_Webmail-d125.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33953-STANDARD Received: from 75.62.75.10 by Webmail-d125.sysops.aol.com (205.188.252.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:37:53 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CE0E0004112EF2-1120-2668F@Webmail-d125.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CE0E000421D899_1120_55CEE_Webmail-d125.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" See pages 10-14 of the January 2011 issue. I will have it posted separatel= y as well. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sky2high@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 8:44 am Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair Jeff, =20 I couldn't find anything useful either in a scan of news letters or under= the button "safety". The Safety Wire article was too small to read and= is missing page 3. How ridiculous that the EAA reserved safety info only= for counselors. Oh well......... =20 I have attached Lee Metcalf's Lancair accident analyses thru 2005 and the= copy of an article I had laying around that points out why one should be= suspicious of "experimental" accident stats. Perhaps the community will= find these interesting. =20 Scott =20 In a message dated 7/10/2011 2:18:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff= @aol.com writes: Scott, The summary and white paper is on the web site. lobo is now deeply involve= d in other EAA and FAA aviation safety projects.=20 Best regards, Jeff Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: Jeff, =20 Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make your= session at OSH. Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site? =20 Scott Krueger =20 In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff@= aol.com writes: Mark, =20 Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airventure?= These accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments abo= ut the engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the engine= . =20 Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair Steve, =20 I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy. Even if he was a jer= k, we still need to solve this riddle. Is LOBO following up on each of th= ese crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)? If no= t, we'll continue to be having these conversations until we eventually run= out of pilots, or airplanes. Mark=20 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell wrote= : =20 I would sure would like to know why all of these "certified engines" are= quitting on takeoff. =20 =20 Mark S.=20 Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing. We are running low boost co= ntinuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure issu= es at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. =20 I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce mani= fold pressure and settle for less power?) =20 Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted. = =20 Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel delive= ry, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or make the= se problems manageable. =20 Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. He was a very likeable guy who= built one of the early IV=E2=80=99s and had over 1000 hours on it. We ta= lked to him about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In. =20 Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could training ha= ve changed this outcome? Steve Legacy IO550 =20 =3D -- or archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CE0E000421D899_1120_55CEE_Webmail-d125.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
See pages 10-14 of the January 2011 issue. I will have it posted sepa= rately as well.
 
Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Sky2high@aol.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 8:44 am
Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair

Jeff,
 
I couldn't find anything useful either in a scan of news letters or= under the button "safety".  The Safety Wire article was too small to= read and is missing page 3.  How ridiculous that the EAA reserved sa= fety info only for counselors.  Oh well.........
 
I have attached Lee Metcalf's Lancair accident analyses thru 2005 and= the copy of an article I had laying around that points out why one= should be suspicious of "experimental" accident stats.  Perhaps= the community will find these interesting.
 
Scott
 
In a message dated 7/10/2011 2:18:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
Scott,

The summary and white paper is on the web site. lobo is now deeply in= volved in other EAA and FAA aviation safety projects. 

Best regards,

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
Any analysis is of interest to all - especially those that can't make= your session at OSH.  Perhaps some summary at the LOBO site?
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 7/8/2011 7:40:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff= @aol.com writes:
Mark,
 
Yes, LOBO tracks these matters. Have you ever been to Oshkosh Airvent= ure? These accidents are discussed in detail there. Based on your comments= about the engines you would be surprised. In many cases it was not the en= gine.
 
Jeff Edwards



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:59 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: another Lancair

Steve, = =20

I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy.  Even if he= was a jerk, we still need to solve this riddle.  Is LOBO following= up on each of these crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the= cause(s)?  If not, we'll continue to be having these conversations= until we eventually run out of pilots, or airplanes.

Mark 

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell <mcmess1919@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
I would sure would like to know why all of these= "certified engines" are quitting on takeoff.  
 
Mark S. 
Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing.&n= bsp; We are running low boost continuously in case the engine pump fails= and to address fuel pressure issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and= other problems.  
I understand the engine will not make full powe= r on low boost (reduce manifold pressure and settle for less power?) =  
Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the= mixture is not adjusted.   
Since engine driven pump failure, heat and alti= tude all affect fuel delivery, it would seem using the low boost continuou= sly could solve or make these problems manageable.  
Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. = He was a very likeable guy who built one of the early IV=E2=80=99s and ha= d over 1000 hours on it.  We talked to him about joining LOBO and com= ing to the Branson Fly-In. 
Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness= account, could training have changed this outcome?
Steve  Legacy IO550
 

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