X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 07:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4994648 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 May 2011 20:47:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.52; envelope-from=indigoaviation@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so296501fxm.25 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 17:46:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bqpymyhJRxUUaTLCmMtbE3sDE41/qox+twaLZzEQfaRtHiSvYFsChOjqaTVyCKGT4h t6soPO21ZRnUzE9Mv2nOFpP6xBdUqf/ySk8aItKZqRxPrPMzvkCwfnKs27VOYmTpOD+H KEh+W/GnElJ+aAWvkueoICnjzuYm0/2AjDYc4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.69 with SMTP id v5mr272169fal.57.1306370809461; Wed, 25 May 2011 17:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.129 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2011 17:46:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:46:49 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Piston vs turbine? From: swaid rahn X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054a7250afd4304a4232807 --20cf3054a7250afd4304a4232807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello All, I have a LIV-P in my shop that we are converting to turbine. It had a Engineair V8 ( the owners had over 85 thousand in the V8 firewall fwd installation) that we removed and we are installing a -6 Garrett. The performance numbers look very promising. The garrett is one of the most fuel efficient turboprops and it has a high altitude compressor. This one makes 715 Shaft HP up to 31 thousand feet. I expect our fuel burn to be around 26-27 gal/hr at the flight level cruise. The engine weights 360 lbs and we are using a 3 bladed Hartzell prop. We are building our own firewall fwd installation. We are using a 32 gal belly tank and a baggage comp. tank with 160 gal.+ fuel. We bought this engine for about 2/3 the price of a new TSIO-550 Continental. It has over 1000 cycles remaining until the next event, which could be 1500+ hours depending on how many hours per flight. (1.5 hr x 1000 cyc.= 1500hr). We should see 330-340 KTS true airspeed an the upper flight levels. This installation will be a little different from the other Garrett installations. We will have about the same money in the components for this turbine as the Continental installation package from Lancair. I know this all sounds too good to be true so we will have to wait and see if I can back up the above claims. Swaid Rahn N753M (LIVP-T Walter) N606CF LIVP-T Garrett in progress. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:59 PM, paul miller wrote: > And not to forget the Orenda V-8 program that was actually installed in > King Airs. I recall the Canadian government backing that venture and > Elliott Aviation installing with an STC but after a brief appearance at OSH > I never saw them again. I suspect some money was lost in that program too. > > > Paul > Legacy > On 2011-05-25, at 1:44 PM, Frederick Moreno wrote: > > See Thielert's experience. > > > -- Swaid L. Rahn Indigo Aviation, Inc. 940 Mock Road Springfield, Ga. 31329 Cell 912.655.0966 --20cf3054a7250afd4304a4232807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
=A0I have a LIV-P in my shop that we are converting to turbine. It had= a Engineair V8 ( the owners had over 85 thousand in the V8 firewall=A0fwd = installation)=A0that we removed and we are installing a -6 Garrett. The per= formance numbers look very promising. The garrett is one of the most fuel e= fficient turboprops and it has a high altitude compressor. This one makes 7= 15 Shaft HP up to 31 thousand feet. I expect our fuel burn to be around 26-= 27 gal/hr at the flight level cruise. The engine weights 360 lbs and we are= using a 3 bladed Hartzell prop. We are building our own firewall fwd insta= llation. We are using a 32 gal belly tank and a baggage comp. tank with 160= gal.+ fuel.
=A0We bought this engine for about 2/3 the price of a new TSIO-550 Con= tinental. It has over 1000 cycles remaining until the next event, which cou= ld be 1500+ hours depending on how many hours per flight. (1.5 hr x 1000 cy= c.=3D 1500hr).
=A0We should see 330-340 KTS true airspeed an the upper flight levels.=
This installation will be a little different from the other Garrett in= stallations.
We will have about the same money in the components for this turbine a= s the Continental installation package from Lancair.
I know this all sounds too good to be true so we will have to wait and= see if I can back up the above claims.
Swaid Rahn
N753M (LIVP-T Walter)
N606CF LIVP-T Garrett in progress.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:59 PM, paul miller <paul@tbm700.com&g= t; wrote:
And not to forget the Orenda V-8 progr= am that was actually installed in King Airs. =A0I recall the Canadian gover= nment backing that venture and Elliott Aviation installing with an STC but = after a brief appearance at OSH I never saw them again. =A0 I suspect some = money was lost in that program too.=20

Paul=A0
Legacy
On 2011-05-25, at 1:44 PM, Frederick Moreno wrote:

=A0See Thielert's experience.=A0




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S= waid L. Rahn
Indigo Aviation, Inc.
940 Mock Road
Springfield, Ga. = 31329
Cell 912.655.0966


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