X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 07:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4965024 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 May 2011 06:15:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.52; envelope-from=indigoaviation@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so4291018fxm.25 for ; Tue, 03 May 2011 03:14:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eMTfyqRfMfGA5OGS77Sb1N+gNlr0wQp9pbLdPNNpJQLA+dEWATpQWyX639P7GLclD6 PgLYtahHvlryvvH/SSfn73G3oTAyPKx+nsb5zsnGqIksUeDOCXFglDjBSdvS0xYeOCYN 9yXCbcC5xbMOFWm4t4GveO+5Wvs2Zqrh7wfqc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.7.26 with SMTP id b26mr1388307fab.119.1304417664991; Tue, 03 May 2011 03:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.102.77 with HTTP; Tue, 3 May 2011 03:14:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 06:14:24 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! From: swaid rahn X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747347c8f83c304a25c6768 --00151747347c8f83c304a25c6768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Rick and Jeff, could you please fwd a copy of your letters and a copy of the CBP Guidelines. I would like to post them at our local airports around Savannah Ga. and make a presentation at our EAA Chapter meeting about our freedom encroachments. Thanks, Swaid On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Rick Titsworth wrote: > Jeff, etal > > > > A minor account, for additional background=85 > > > > Last summer (early August sometime shortly after Osh), I was questioned b= y > two CBP officers upon landing at MCD (Mackinac Island, Michgan) on an > otherwise routine non-stop solo local/domestic flight from my homebase, Y= 47 > in the Detroit area in my C172. They wanted to see my ID, and ask a coup= le > questions on where I was coming from, if I had been out the country, etc. > They asked if I had the registration, but did not request that I pull it = out > of the plastic pocket on the side panel. It was not much of an event, and > the questions were not very invasive. I did provide my ID and minimally > cooperative answers, all while I continued to tie-down, post flight, and > unload my bag. They were in casual plain cloths, but did show me their I= D=92s > and were cordial. > > > > In speaking with my wife who was waiting for me at the small airport > building, she indicated that they were waiting there before hand, but als= o > did the same to another plane that landed before me while she was waiting= =96 > so they were apparently not focusing on any specific planes. Having > overhead their conversation while she was waiting, they were up there for= a > few days doing =93audits=94 a couple hours a day, AND STAYING AT THE MACH= INAC > GRAND HOTEL (5 star $400-600 per night, 2 night min). > http://www.grandhotel.com and enjoying the island. > > > > This is really a very unnecessary boondoggle=85 > > > > MCD is a small (vacation/tourist) island 3 miles off the Michgan shore on= ly > accessible by ferry/boat (or plane) and a fairly expensive place to stay. > The airport is within the state park boundary, operated by the state, > staffed by a park ranger who records all tail numbers, and has a landing = fee > (but no services, no fuel nor FBO). It is not a high volume airport > (untowered), but can by relatively busy on nice weekends in the summer. > Needless to say, this is probably the LAST place anyone would seek to br= ing > a fugitive into the country or any other potential nefarious activity. > There are tons of remote, unattended, and more easily accessible airports= in > northern Mich, were you could probably land (stop&go) from Canada, below > radar coverage (since they can=92t ever provide flight following, nor rad= ar > vectors, below ~4,500ft). FYI, there is even a bunch of Class G in the M= ich > Upper Peninsula also (not just out west) =96 so you can legally fly in IM= C > without an IFR flight plan and not talking to anyone - if you believe in = the > big sky theory (I didn=92t say it was safe). > > > > Anyway the key point is, we don=92t need to be paying for these hacks to > vacation at the GRAND in Aug while on the dole under the context of CBP > aviation audits! What a waste of our CBP funding/resources, especially w= hen > there=92s a boarder that actually needs policing. > > > > Rick > > > > p.s. Afterwards, I decided if I ever got stopped (audited) again, I would > politely have them right down their names, badge numbers/credentials and > office contact info for me, after showing them my ID, but before consider= ing > answering additional questions. > > > > p.p.s I also plan on posting a copy of the CBP Guide to Law Enforcement= =85 on > the bulletin board of every airport I land at. That should get some > grass-roots pilots stirred up out there. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] *On Behalf Of > *vtailjeff@aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:24 PM > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Subject:* [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! > > > > Guys & gals, > > > > We appreciate your help. This Constitutional problem with Customs and > Border Patrol (CBP) and similar Federal agencies has been brewing for a > while and will not go away overnight. American citizens are not the bad > guys. GA pilots are not terrorists. You may recall the 12,500# Program th= at > TSA wanted to extend to small aircraft two years ago. It was successfully > fought by many in GA. But this win was a small one for us and we must be > ever vigilant to protect our freedom to fly. > > > > As a retired military officer and flier, I can tell you that CBP has put > together a large air force and intelligence network and is using it again= st > law abiding U.S. citizens. They are even advertising this capability on > their own website. Unfortunately, they appear to be beyond the reach of o= ur > elected officials. The fax that we managed to secure and post on this lis= t > shows us they view GA as a security problem. As mentioned on an earlier > post--they are not interested in answering their bosses (us) questions > regarding these intrusions on our personal liberties. I have spent many > hours researching this issue and racked up numerous hours on the phone > mustering support. This latest attack on GA and our personal > liberties occurred at my home airport, involved a good friend of mine who > now owns an airplane I built, and was conducted at my hangar. > > Where we stand today: I have met with our local law enforcement officials > who have conducted these searches based on phone calls from CBP. They > are not happy with CBP. CBP has wasted a considerable amount of their tim= e > and made them out to be the bad guys which they are not. It will probably= be > a long time before CBP calls our local police force. Make contact with yo= ur > local police agencies and advise them of this nonsense --an ounce of > prevention is worth a pound of cure. The LOBO Board has been reaching out= to > our friends and allies in GA. I have contacted Congressman Sam Graves' > office---he is the chairman of the GA caucus in the House of > Representatives. Contact you Congressman and Senator, as well. I have > connected with Jim Campbell who has published the pilot's account in > www.aeronews.net. Today, I have had dialogue with AOPA and their VP for > Operations, Mr. Craig Spence who will be meeting with CBP next week about > this issue. I will ask him to invite our VP-- Bob Pastusek, COL USAF (ret= .) > to attend. AOPA is now giving this issue their top priority. Please give > AOPA and Mr. Spence your support and respect. If you have anything else t= o > report post it here or send it to me directly at vtailjeff@aol.com. I > would appreciate hearing from anyone else who has had this sort of treatm= ent > from our Federal employees-- remember ---they work for us. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Jeff Edwards > > President, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:56 pm > Subject: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! > > i passed the copy to a friend and here is what he wrote back: > > I just called that number, 866-247-2878. > > I was handed off to Tony Martinez who said he was an aviation > enforcement specialist at the Air and Marine Operations Center in > Riverside, > Calif. > > Based on the beeping I heard on the line, I assume the telephone call was > recorded. > > He wanted to know who I was and who I represented or was "with." > > I gave him my first and last name and said I'm simply a pilot in Florida. > > The Reader's Digest version of our conversation, taken from memory: > > I explained I had some questions about a document -- the one in question > -- > and read its title to him. > > He asked where I got the document. > > I said someone gave it to me. More importantly, I added, several of the s= ix > > document requirements are almost certainly incorrect, mentioning #5 > (pilot's > logbook) and #6 (Form 337). I pointed out these aren't FAA requirements. > > He said Form 337s are paperwork for modifications to the aircraft and mus= t > be in the aircraft. > > I said I thought the only Form 337 that must be carried in the aircraft w= as > > one for the installation of extra fuel tanks. > > He said I should contact the FAA with my concerns. > > I said this is a Dept of Homeland Security guide, not an FAA document, so= I > > didn't think the appropriate action was to contact the FAA. > > He said he was more concerned about where I got the document. > > I explained I was worried I'd be confronted by law-enforcement officers a= t > an airport and would run into problems because I wasn't carrying all the > documents listed in the guide. > > He said this was a "guide" and "they'll be talking to us." Further > back-and-forth made me realize he meant the officers would be in real-tim= e > contact with Martinez's facility during such a confrontation. > > I said this might not be the case, and I mentioned the John and Martha Ki= ng > > incident and one recently at a St. Louis airport, where the police though= t > the aircraft was carrying a federal fugitive when in fact it contained a > lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserves who flew F22s. > > I asked who in the DHS I should contact to get the guide corrected. He sa= id > > I could send my input to his facility. > > He again mentioned his concern about my having a copy of the doc. > > How do we push back against this? AOPA seems too distracted selling wine = to > > act on our behalf. > > ---------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* vtailjeff@aol.com > > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > > *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:10 PM > > *Subject:* [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! > > > > Here is a copy of a fax CBP sent. See if you can find the mistakes! I am = a > bit surprised they believe they can detain you if you do not have your pi= lot > logbook onboard. LOL!!!! > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Rickard > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Sent: Wed, Apr 20, 2011 11:49 am > Subject: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! > > We were able to get a copy of the fax that was sent to the local police. > The =93Tip=94 came from Customs and Border Patrol in CA. And the local P= olice > chief was actually *apologetic *because he knew it was bogus. The tip > itself is BS. They made it up. IF they had been watching me or > investigating me they would have known my wife was with me and not some > dude. That is the only part that is really a violation, they are making = up > an excuse to get the locals excited, and then seeing what they find. > Another example was a guy accused of transporting computer chips that wer= e > stolen. I can imagine them making up stories over the coffee in the > morning. > > > > How would the public react if any Fed agency routinely made up tips so th= e > cops would come to your house and want to search? Imagine the news > coverage. That is the same thing going on here. If they have something = on > you, then absolutely go for it. But they did not in the 3 cases we know > about just at our local airport. > > > > The lesson you derived is correct though. Know your rights, and also kno= w > how you can help them do their job without violating your rights. That i= s > the best thing you can do (if innocent) while saying the least amount > possible. > > > > Bob R > > > > *From:* Lancair Mailing List [*mailto:lml@lancaironline.net*] > *On Behalf Of *William Wilson > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:05 AM > *To:* *lml@lancaironline.net* > > *Subject:* [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! > > > > Seems pretty standard to me. They checked out a tip that proved to be > bogus. I don't see any rights violations here or anything out of the > ordinary. > > The main lesson IMO is that, while there are plenty of cops who abuse > power, for the most part if you behave in a civilized manner and realize > they are just trying to do their job, most of them will treat you fairly. > That seems to be what happened here. > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Bob Rickard <*r.rickard@rcginc-us.com*> > wrote: > > Fellow LML=92ers > > > > It seems inevitable that the govt will search you at some point. Just so= me > info on what happened to me yesterday, you can hopefully use this to reac= t > appropriately for your situation. This is the third incident just at our > little airport in Missouri of this happening=85.. > > > > Bob Rickard > > IV-P > > > > On 18 April, 2011, I filed IFR from KGEU to K1H0 direct, with my wife on > board. At 0845L, I departed KGEU VFR and picked up my filed IFR clearanc= e > to K1H0 at FL210 with ABQ center. The flight was uneventful and I cancel= led > IFR approximately 10 miles from K1H0 with St. Louis Approach and landed a= t > 1443L. Upon landing and taxi to my hanger (P3) at Creve Coeur Airport, I > was surrounded by 6 Maryland Heights Police cars and about 10 officers. = I > exited the plane and was approached by the supervisor and asked if I had = any > identification. I produced my military ID (I am a LtCol in the Air Force > Reserve flying F-22=92s) as well as my driver=92s license, and asked the > supervisor what the problem was. He told me that he got a =93tip=94 from= the > Federal Government that there may be a federal fugitive on board by the n= ame > of Robert Mcrae. He wasn=92t sure of the name and asked me if I knew any= one > by a name similar to that, to which I answered =93no=94 to all. He also = stated > that he was surprised to see a woman in the plane with me since his > informant said there would be two men in the plane. I inquired as to who > would give a tip like that, and he was vague. A this point my wife exite= d > the plane and was asked to produce her ID as well and was questioned as t= o > what we were doing and where we were going and where we came from. It w= as > apparent to the supervisor pretty quickly that my wife and I were not > federal fugitives as they ran our ID=92s, but he asked to search the airp= lane > anyway. I told him that I was aware of my rights and he could not search > anything without a warrant, and he was quick to add =93or your permission= =94 and > =93I could have the dogs come out=94. (side note =96 they don=92t need a= warrant to > have the dogs check out your aircraft =96 if the dogs find something and > indicate, then they have probable cause to search you without a warrant. = If > the dogs find nothing they cannot search your aircraft until a warrant is > issued). I told him that I would play nice, had nothing to hide, and tha= t > my plan was to take my belongings out of the airplane and put them in my = car > to go home, and I would allow him to see what I took out and visually see > inside the cockpit and baggage compartment, but I was not allowing a sear= ch > of the airplane. He agreed to this. I took my 2 pieces of luggage out of > the back and showed him the contents briefly (not a complete search but > opened up the zipper and showed clothes on top) as well as the couple of > vases we had bought in Phoenix and lunch/sodas we had in the cockpit. Th= ey > saw nothing of interest and returned my wife=92s ID, but kept mine and ma= de > further calls. The supervisor indicated =93I=92m on overtime, I am outta= here=94 > and left, but another officer checked with =93EPIC=94 (unsure of the spel= ling) > which he told me was an international consortium that traded information = on > travel, etc. He told me he was aware of my trip earlier this year to Mex= ico > and the Cayman Islands (honeymoon cruise) but there was nothing to get me= in > trouble. He then returned my ID and let us go. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > > For archives and unsub * > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html* > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - *www.avg.com* > Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3587 - Release Date: 04/21/11 > > --=20 Swaid L. Rahn Indigo Aviation, Inc. 940 Mock Road Springfield, Ga. 31329 Cell 912.655.0966 --00151747347c8f83c304a25c6768 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
=A0Rick and Jeff, could you please fwd a copy of your letters and a co= py of the CBP Guidelines. I would like to post them at our local airports a= round Savannah Ga. and make a presentation at our EAA Chapter meeting about= our freedom encroachments.
Thanks,
Swaid

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Rick Titsworth = <rtitswor= th@mindspring.com> wrote:

Jeff, etal

=A0

A minor account= , for additional background=85

=A0

Last summer (ea= rly August sometime shortly after Osh), I was questioned by two CBP officer= s upon landing at MCD (Mackinac Island, Michgan) on an otherwise routine no= n-stop solo local/domestic flight from my homebase, Y47 in the Detroit area= in my C172.=A0 They wanted to see my ID, and ask a couple questions on whe= re I was coming from, if I had been out the country, etc.=A0 They asked if = I had the registration, but did not request that I pull it out of the plast= ic pocket on the side panel. It was not much of an event, and the questions= were not very invasive.=A0 I did provide my ID and minimally cooperative a= nswers, all while I continued to tie-down, post flight, and unload my bag.= =A0 They were in casual plain cloths, but did show me their ID=92s and were= cordial.

=A0

In speaking wit= h my wife who was waiting for me at the small airport building, she indicat= ed that they were waiting there before hand, but also did the same to anoth= er plane that landed before me while she was waiting =96 so they were appar= ently not focusing on any specific planes. =A0Having overhead their convers= ation while she was waiting, they were up there for a few days doing =93aud= its=94 a couple hours a day, AND STAYING AT THE MACHINAC GRAND HOTEL (5 sta= r $400-600 per night, 2 night min). =A0<= span style=3D"COLOR: navy">http://www= .grandhotel.com and enjoying the island.

=A0

This is really = a very unnecessary boondoggle=85

=A0

MCD is a small = (vacation/tourist) island 3 miles off the Michgan shore only accessible by = ferry/boat (or plane) and a fairly expensive place to stay. The airport is = within the state park boundary, operated by the state, staffed by a park ra= nger who records all tail numbers, and has a landing fee (but no services, = no fuel nor FBO). =A0It is not a high volume airport (untowered), but can b= y relatively busy on nice weekends in the summer. =A0Needless to say, this = is probably the LAST place anyone would seek to bring a fugitive into the c= ountry or any other potential nefarious activity.=A0 There are tons of remo= te, unattended, and more easily accessible airports in northern Mich, were = you could probably land (stop&go) from Canada, below radar coverage (si= nce they can=92t ever provide flight following, nor radar vectors, below ~4= ,500ft).=A0 FYI, there is even a bunch of Class G in the Mich Upper Peninsu= la also (not just out west) =96 so you can legally fly in IMC without an IF= R flight plan and not talking to anyone - if you believe in the big sky the= ory (I didn=92t say it was safe).

=A0

Anyway the key = point is, we don=92t need to be paying for these hacks to vacation at the G= RAND in Aug while on the dole under the context of CBP aviation audits!=A0 = What a waste of our CBP funding/resources, especially when there=92s a boar= der that actually needs policing.

=A0

Rick

=A0

p.s. Afterwards= , I decided if I ever got stopped (audited) again, I would politely have th= em right down their names, badge numbers/credentials and office contact inf= o for me, after showing them my ID, but before considering answering additi= onal questions.

=A0

p.p.s I also pl= an on posting a copy of the CBP Guide to Law Enforcement=85 on the bulletin= board of every airport I land at. =A0That should get some grass-roots pilo= ts stirred up out there.

=A0

=A0

From:= Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of vtailjeff@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2= 011 12:24 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: beware, = you may be searched!

=A0

Guys & ga= ls,

=A0

We appreciate= your help. This Constitutional problem with Customs and Border Patrol (CBP= ) and similar Federal agencies has been brewing for a while and will not go= away overnight. American citizens are not the bad guys. GA pilots are not = terrorists. You may recall the 12,500# Program that TSA wanted to extend to= small aircraft two years ago. It was successfully fought by many in GA. Bu= t this win was a small one for us and we must be ever vigilant to protect o= ur freedom to fly.

=A0

As a retired = military officer and flier, I can tell you that CBP has put together a larg= e air force and intelligence network and is using it against law abiding U.= S. citizens. They are even advertising this capability on their own website= . Unfortunately, they appear to be beyond the reach of our elected official= s.=A0The fax that we managed to secure and post on this list shows us they = view GA as a security problem. As mentioned on an earlier post--they are no= t interested in answering their bosses (us) questions regarding these intru= sions on our personal liberties. I have spent many hours researching this i= ssue and racked up numerous hours on the phone mustering support. This late= st attack on GA and our personal liberties=A0occurred at=A0my home airport,= involved a good friend of mine=A0who now owns an airplane I built, and was= conducted at my hangar.

Where we stan= d today: I have met with our local law enforcement officials who have condu= cted these searches based on phone calls from CBP. They are=A0not happy wit= h CBP. CBP has wasted a considerable amount of their time and made them out= to be the bad guys which they are not. It will probably be a long time bef= ore CBP calls our local police force. Make contact with your local police a= gencies and advise them of this nonsense --an ounce of prevention is worth = a pound of cure.=A0The LOBO Board has been reaching out to our friends and = allies in GA. I have contacted Congressman=A0Sam Graves' office---he is= the chairman of the GA caucus in the House of Representatives. Contact you= Congressman and Senator, as well. I have connected with Jim Campbell who h= as published the pilot's account in www.aeronews.net.=A0=A0Today, =A0I have had dialogu= e with AOPA and their VP for Operations, Mr. Craig Spence who will be meeti= ng with CBP next week about this issue. I will ask him to=A0invite our VP--= Bob Pastusek, COL USAF (ret.) to attend.=A0AOPA is=A0now giving this issue= their top priority. Please give AOPA and Mr. Spence your support and respe= ct. If you have anything else to report post it here or send it to me direc= tly at vtailjeff@aol.com. I would appreciate hearing from anyone else who has had this sort of= treatment from our Federal employees-- remember ---they work for us.

=A0

Best Regards,=

=A0

Jeff Edwards<= /span>

President,

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent <kent@tulsaconnect.com>= ;
To: lml@lan= caironline.net
Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 12:56 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched!

i passed the = copy to a friend and here is what he wrote back:

I just called= that number, 866-247-2878.

I was handed off to Tony Martinez <sp> who said he was an aviatio= n
enforcement specialist at the Air and Marine Operations Center in Riv= erside,
Calif.

Based on the beeping I heard on the line, I assum= e the telephone call was
recorded.

He wanted to know who I was and who I represented or was &= quot;with."

I gave him my first and last name and said I'm = simply a pilot in Florida.

The Reader's Digest version of our co= nversation, taken from memory:

I explained I had some questions about a document -- the one in questio= n --=A0
and read its title to him.

He asked where I got the docu= ment.

I said someone gave it to me. More importantly, I added, sever= al of the six
document requirements are almost certainly incorrect, mentioning #5 (pilot&= #39;s
logbook) and #6 (Form 337). I pointed out these aren't FAA re= quirements.

He said Form 337s are paperwork for modifications to the= aircraft and must
be in the aircraft.

I said I thought the only Form 337 that must be = carried in the aircraft was
one for the installation of extra fuel tank= s.

He said I should contact the FAA with my concerns.

I said = this is a Dept of Homeland Security guide, not an FAA document, so I
didn't think the appropriate action was to contact the FAA.

He s= aid he was more concerned about where I got the document.

I explaine= d I was worried I'd be confronted by law-enforcement officers at
an airport and would run into problems because I wasn't carrying all th= e
documents listed in the guide.

He said this was a "guide&= quot; and "they'll be talking to us." Further
back-and-fo= rth made me realize he meant the officers would be in real-time
contact with Martinez's facility during such a confrontation.

I = said this might not be the case, and I mentioned the John and Martha King <= br>incident and one recently at a St. Louis airport, where the police thoug= ht
the aircraft was carrying a federal fugitive when in fact it contained a lieutenant colonel in the Air Force Reserves who flew F22s.

I aske= d who in the DHS I should contact to get the guide corrected. He said
I could send my input to his facility.

He again mentioned his concer= n about my having a copy of the doc.

How do we push back against thi= s? AOPA seems too distracted selling wine to
act on our behalf.

----------------------------------

----- Origina= l Message -----

<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGH= T: bold">To: lml@lan= caironline.net

<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGH= T: bold">Sent: Thu= rsday, April 21, 2011 10:10 PM

<= span style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGH= T: bold">Subject: = [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched!

=A0

Here is a cop= y of=A0a fax CBP sent. See if you can find the mistakes! I am a bit surpris= ed they believe they can detain you if you do not have your pilot logbook o= nboard. LOL!!!!

=A0

Jeff

=A0



=A0

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Rickard <r.rickard@rcginc-us.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wed, Apr 20, 2011 11:49 am
Subject: [LML] Re: beware,= you may be searched!

We were a= ble to get a copy of the fax that was sent to the local police.=A0 The =93T= ip=94 came from Customs and Border Patrol in CA.=A0 And the local Police ch= ief was actually apologetic because he knew it was bogus.=A0 The tip itself is BS.=A0 They made it up= .=A0 IF they had been watching me or investigating me they would have known= my wife was with me and not some dude.=A0 That is the only part that is re= ally a violation, they are making up an excuse to get the locals excited, a= nd then seeing what they find.=A0 Another example was a guy accused of tran= sporting computer chips that were stolen.=A0 I can imagine them making up s= tories over the coffee in the morning.=A0

=A0

How would= the public react if any Fed agency routinely made up tips so the cops woul= d come to your house and want to search?=A0 Imagine the news coverage.=A0 T= hat is the same thing going on here. =A0If they have something on you, then= absolutely go for it.=A0 But they did not in the 3 cases we know about jus= t at our local airport.=A0

The lesso= n you derived is correct though.=A0 Know your rights, and also know how you= can help them do their job without violating your rights.=A0 That is the b= est thing you can do (if innocent) while saying the least amount possible.<= /span>

=A0

= Bob R=

=A0

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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, = 2011 7:05 AM
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Subject:<= /b> [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched!

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Seems pretty = standard to me.=A0 They checked out a tip that proved to be bogus.=A0 I don= 't see any rights violations here or anything out of the ordinary.

The main lesson IMO is that, while there are plenty of cops who abuse p= ower, for the most part if you behave in a civilized manner and realize the= y are just trying to do their job, most of them will treat you fairly.=A0 T= hat seems to be what happened here.

On Tue, Apr 1= 9, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Bob Rickard <r= .rickard@rcginc-us.com> wrote:

Fellow LML=92= ers

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It seems inev= itable that the govt will search you at some point.=A0 Just some info on wh= at happened to me yesterday, you can hopefully use this to react appropriat= ely for your situation.=A0 This is the third incident just at our little ai= rport in Missouri of this happening=85..

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Bob Rickard

IV-P

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On 18 April, = 2011, I filed IFR from KGEU to K1H0 direct, with my wife on board.=A0 At 08= 45L, I departed KGEU VFR and picked up my filed IFR clearance to K1H0 at FL= 210 with ABQ center.=A0 The flight was uneventful and I cancelled IFR appro= ximately 10 miles from K1H0 with St. Louis Approach and landed at 1443L.=A0= Upon landing and taxi to my hanger (P3) at Creve Coeur Airport, I was surr= ounded by 6 Maryland Heights Police cars and about 10 officers.=A0 I exited= the plane and was approached by the supervisor and asked if I had any iden= tification.=A0 I produced my military ID (I am a LtCol in the Air Force Res= erve flying F-22=92s) as well as my driver=92s license, and asked the super= visor what the problem was.=A0 He told me that he got a =93tip=94 from the = Federal Government that there may be a federal fugitive on board by the nam= e of Robert Mcrae.=A0 He wasn=92t sure of the name and asked me if I knew a= nyone by a name similar to that, to which I answered =93no=94 to all.=A0 He= also stated that he was surprised to see a woman in the plane with me sinc= e his informant said there would be two men in the plane.=A0 I inquired as = to who would give a tip like that, and he was vague.=A0 A this point my wif= e exited the plane and was asked to produce her ID as well and was question= ed as to what we were doing and where we were going and where we came from.= =A0=A0 It was apparent to the supervisor pretty quickly that my wife and I = were not federal fugitives as they ran our ID=92s, but he asked to search t= he airplane anyway.=A0 I told him that I was aware of my rights and he coul= d not search anything without a warrant, and he was quick to add =93or your= permission=94 and =93I could have the dogs come out=94.=A0 (side note =96 = they don=92t need a warrant to have the dogs check out your aircraft =96 if= the dogs find something and indicate, then they have probable cause to sea= rch you without a warrant.=A0 If the dogs find nothing they cannot search y= our aircraft until a warrant is issued).=A0 I told him that I would play ni= ce, had nothing to hide, and that my plan was to take my belongings out of = the airplane and put them in my car to go home, and I would allow him to se= e what I took out and visually see inside the cockpit and baggage compartme= nt, but I was not allowing a search of the airplane.=A0 He agreed to this. = I took my 2 pieces of luggage out of the back and showed him the contents b= riefly (not a complete search but opened up the zipper and showed clothes o= n top) as well as the couple of vases we had bought in Phoenix and lunch/so= das we had in the cockpit.=A0 They saw nothing of interest and returned my = wife=92s ID, but kept mine and made further calls.=A0 The supervisor indica= ted =93I=92m on overtime, I am outta here=94 and left, but another officer = checked with =93EPIC=94 (unsure of the spelling) which he told me was an in= ternational consortium that traded information on travel, etc.=A0 He told m= e he was aware of my trip earlier this year to Mexico and the Cayman Island= s (honeymoon cruise) but there was nothing to get me in trouble.=A0 He then= returned my ID and let us go.

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