X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [205.186.160.203] (HELO server.rmcginc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4958777 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 00:44:24 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.186.160.203; envelope-from=r.rickard@rcginc-us.com Received: (qmail 27812 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2011 21:43:48 -0700 Received: from 24-107-105-58.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO ?192.168.1.97?) (24.107.105.58) by rmcomserver.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2011 21:43:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched! References: From: Bob Rickard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8F190) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:43:44 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8F190) Hamid- As the guy who was searched upon landing, I can assure you that what you sur= mise is incorrect. First of all, if you were at your home airport and saw a= guy that looked like a guy, etc...who would you call - customs and border p= atrol? I think not. Probably the local police, maybe the FBI if you were f= eeling brash. Additionally, why would CBP have any jurisdiction whatsoever o= n a flight that started and ended well inside the US border? Are they trac= king families in RV's traveling from Phoenix to St. Louis too? Thirdly, on t= he wild assumption that anyone was present, surveilling me, and convinced en= ough to assume I was carrying a male fugitive (which was the accusation from= CBP, even though my wife was the only passenger), the local or federal auth= orities would certainly have not let me take off or even get in an airplane.= The fact is there was no local tip. As it was, the CBP office contacted t= he local police 10 minutes prior to my filed landing time (a 4 hour flight) = and faxed them the bogus info, with no other awareness of my flight other t= han my flight plan data. And CBP certainly does not have persons who trave= l inside our own borders searching people out like this on a whim, else we m= ight have turned into the soviet union. So the fact remains that they are t= otally caught in a lie, and we should try to do something about it as a comm= unity. I would agree with your point in principle if there were not mitigat= ing circumstances, but it's pretty clear in this case. Bob R On Apr 26, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Hamid Wasti wrote: > vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: >> How would a Federal CBP officer in California know a Lancair pilot taking= off from an airport in Phoenix had a fugitive onboard? Answer -- he didn't-= - he just made it up to justify an unlawful search to the local police in St= . Louis. > While the story being totally made up is quite possible, do not discount t= he possibility that the CBP may be acting on a tip and may have initiated th= e action. >=20 > One of the down sides of the increased emphasis on recruiting the general p= ublic as the government's eyes and ears and offering rewards is a lot more f= alse and misleading tips. While many of these are offered in good faith by p= eople who do not know any better, some are offered on the slim chance of sco= ring a reward. >=20 > It often starts out as "That guy I caught a glimpse of 100 yards away may l= ook like the one they showed on TV last night" followed either by "Better ca= ll it in and let the police make sure" or "Better call it in because in the r= emote chance I am right it will get me $$$$$"=20 > When the police get involved, their primary objective is self preservation= . The officer that handles the report knows that if it turns out that a vigi= lant citizen turned in a wanted person but he is the one who did not follow i= t up, his career is over. He will therefore pass it up the chain with only m= inimal investigation and the process will repeat a few times till the case f= alls in the lap of the officers that meet the aircraft after landing. >=20 > At every step that the information gets passed from one person to another,= it gets embellished to justify the escalation, so that what started out as "= Did the guy glimpsed from 100 yards away look like the picture I saw on 23:0= 0 news as I was dozing off?" turns into "Person was positively identified ge= tting into the aircraft armed with a dozen rifles and 2,000 pounds of drugs"= >=20 > But the truth in these specific incident will never be known unless someon= e actually get charged with something or someone is willing to file a civil s= uit and fight it to the point of getting into the discovery process. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Hamid >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l