X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:51:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4957116 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:43:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rAOg0VxG4VQn2xx30wV/oxf/aiW0WSjlh+SbEf0okD+IQUoF9GjJrXz+ZSB6ifcT; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.194] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QEUUX-0001HX-HS for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:42:53 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-446--953375444 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: The Big Squeeze On GA X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:42:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <0A8CA1C5-82F1-4690-ACCF-BBC92453FBA3@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940da7ae5c0e0fbfe7787c34b0486f21ff3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.194 --Apple-Mail-446--953375444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Scotty, what was the rational for FAA access to the hangars? What = are they looking for? On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > =20 > Big Squeeze indeed. I "sublease" a hangar in Sky Haven, the 194 = hangar complex at KARR (www.SkyHaven.com). To clarify, rental = agreements are made with Sky Haven, a corporation with all of the = sub-lessees as its members and run by a board elected from among the = members. Sky Haven itself leases the grounds and buildings from the = City of Aurora (municipal public towered airport) on a very long term = basis and annually charges each hangar for providing common area = maintenance (taxes, building exteriors, pavement, etc.). The sub-leases = may be bought and sold much like real property deeds and are recorded = with the county clerk since the term of the lease tracks that of the = master lease with the City. > =20 > Last November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it = could not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 = hangars because the sub-lessees were present and allowed entry. = Recently, the FAA issued a letter to the airport demanding that the = airport have "unobstructed" and "free" access to the Sky Haven hangar = interiors. Their suggestion was that the airport have keys to each = hangar by September 30. > =20 > The Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the = sub-lessee being present or at any time and by any other means in the = case of an emergency. The lease between Sky Haven and the City does = provide the City with the right to "enter upon the premises" at "any = reasonable time" for various purposes including inspection. Part of the = problem is whether "premises" includes the interior of each hangar. > =20 > In any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable search" (4th = Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds keys, etc. > =20 > We have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments are = not very encouraging. > =20 > The net of all this - another example that the agency that is supposed = to promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the = jugular. > =20 > Scott Krueger > N92EX, Hangar 66=20 > =20 > In a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = starliteaviation@yahoo.com writes: > I find the searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not = the only way GA is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, = Arizona (NYL), GA is getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know = we are a joint use military base with airline, GA, and military traffic. = The airline terminal is on the north side, GA on the west, and military = is about a mile or more away on the southeast side of the airport. MCAS = is one of three bases that have been chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter = and the military did a threat assessment on the base to list potential = problems. Last summer, before I became the AOPA representative, I was = approached by one of the board members stating the airport management = and the board of directors were told by the military that GA was a = security threat and Personally Operated Vehicles, POV=92s, should no = longer be able to drive onto the airport. Since the meeting was the next = day I didn=92t have a lot of time to organize the GA population but was = able to get 40 or so pilots together and was able to stall this = initiative. Since that time the airport management and the board of = directors have been pushing this issue. So now the airport management = has decided to allow us, for now, to drive to our hangers and T-Shades = and will be taking away any other driving privileges starting July 1st, = 2011. You can see the plan at www.yumaairport.com on the left side click = on General Aviation, on the right side click on Vehicles. >=20 > Since then I have become the AOPA ASN Volunteer here at NYL and have = attended every monthly board meeting. I feel strongly it won=92t be long = before we are not allowed to drive onto the airport. I also question = AOPA=92s roll in GA as they were no help at all and I am still awaiting = a response from an email I sent to Sean Collins on 3-14-2011. As someone = else made mention, I guess they are too busy selling alcohol and don=92t = have time for us mere pilots. Since when do alcohol and flying go = together? >=20 >=20 > =20 > Fly Safe,=20 >=20 > Christopher J. Alberti > KNYL AOPA Representative > N441JH Lancair 4P Hanger C3 > President/CEO=20 > Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC=20 > 1963 S. 39th Drive=20 > Yuma, Arizona 85364=20 > Phone: 928-581-2383=20 > Fax: 928-329-6488=20 > Email: starliteaviation@yahoo.com > Web Site: www.starliteat.com >=20 > This message contains confidential information only for the use of the = addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible = for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that = reading, disseminating, distributing or copying this message is strictly = prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify = us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message = immediately thereafter. --Apple-Mail-446--953375444 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Sky2high@aol.com = wrote:
Chris,
 
Big Squeeze indeed.  I "sublease" a hangar in Sky = Haven, the 194=20 hangar complex at KARR (www.SkyHaven.com).  To=20 clarify, rental agreements are made with Sky Haven, a corporation = with all=20 of the sub-lessees as its members and run by a board elected from = among the=20 members.  Sky Haven itself leases the grounds and buildings from = the City=20 of Aurora (municipal public towered airport) on a very long term basis = and=20 annually charges each hangar for providing common = area maintenance=20 (taxes, building exteriors, pavement, etc.).  The sub-leases may be = bought=20 and sold much like real property deeds and are recorded with the = county=20 clerk since the term of the lease tracks that of the master lease with = the=20 City.
 
Last November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it = could=20 not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 = hangars=20 because the sub-lessees were present and allowed entry.  = Recently, the=20 FAA issued a letter to the airport demanding that the airport have=20 "unobstructed" and "free" access to the Sky=20 Haven hangar interiors.  Their suggestion was that the = airport=20 have keys to each hangar by September 30.
 
The Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the = sub-lessee=20 being present or at any time and by any other means in the = case of an=20 emergency.  The lease between Sky Haven and the City does provide = the City=20 with the right to "enter upon the premises" at "any reasonable time" for = various=20 purposes including inspection.  Part of the problem is whether = "premises"=20 includes the interior of each hangar.
 
In any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable search" = (4th=20 Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds keys, etc.
 
We have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments = are not=20 very encouraging.
 
The net of all this - another example that the agency that is = supposed to=20 promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the = jugular.
 
Scott Krueger
N92EX, Hangar 66 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 starliteaviation@yahoo.com = writes:

I find the=20 searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not the = only way GA=20 is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, Arizona (NYL), GA = is=20 getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know we are a joint use = military=20 base with airline, GA, and military traffic. The airline terminal is = on the=20 north side, GA on the west, and military is about a mile or more away = on the=20 southeast side of the airport. MCAS is one of three bases that have = been=20 chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter and the military did a threat = assessment on=20 the base to list potential problems. Last summer, before I became the = AOPA=20 representative, I was approached by one of the board members stating = the=20 airport management and the board of directors were told by the = military that=20 GA was a security threat and Personally Operated Vehicles, POV=92s, = should no=20 longer be able to drive onto the airport. Since the meeting was the = next day I=20 didn=92t have a lot of time to organize the GA population but was able = to get 40=20 or so pilots together and was able to stall this initiative. Since = that time=20 the airport management and the board of directors have been pushing = this=20 issue. So now the airport management has decided to allow us, for now, = to=20 drive to our hangers and T-Shades and will be taking away any other = driving=20 privileges starting July 1st, 2011. You can see the plan at = www.yumaairport.com on=20 the left side click on General = Aviation, on the right side click on=20 Vehicles.

Since then I have become the AOPA ASN=20 Volunteer here at NYL and have attended every monthly board meeting. I = feel=20 strongly it won=92t be long before we are not allowed to drive onto = the airport.=20 I also question AOPA=92s roll in GA as they were no help at all and I = am still=20 awaiting a response from an email I sent to Sean Collins on 3-14-2011. = As=20 someone else made mention, I guess they are too busy selling alcohol = and don=92t=20 have time for us mere pilots. Since when do alcohol and flying go = together?=20


 
Fly Safe, =

Christopher=20 J. Alberti
KNYL AOPA=20 Representative
N441JH Lancair 4P = Hanger=20 C3
President/CEO
Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC
1963 S. = 39th=20 Drive
Yuma, Arizona 85364
Phone: 928-581-2383
Fax: = 928-329-6488=20
Email: starliteaviation@yahoo.com
Web Site: www.starliteat.com

This message contains confidential=20 information only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the=20= addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the = addressee, you=20 are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing or = copying this=20 message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by = mistake,=20 please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original = message=20 immediately=20 = thereafter.

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