X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4956937 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:07:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.147; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p3PJ6UMX022739; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:06:30 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.dd6.f820b96 (45489) for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by cia-mc07.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC074-b1b14db5c62f3d5; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:06:24 -0400 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <5c940.2f43d979.3ae7202f@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:06:23 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] The Big Squeeze On GA X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5c940.2f43d979.3ae7202f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 130 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_5c940.2f43d979.3ae7202f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Chris, =20 Big Squeeze indeed. I "sublease" a hangar in Sky Haven, the 194 hangar= =20 complex at KARR (_www.SkyHaven.com_ (http://www.SkyHaven.com) ). To clar= ify,=20 rental agreements are made with Sky Haven, a corporation with all of the= =20 sub-lessees as its members and run by a board elected from among the =20 members. Sky Haven itself leases the grounds and buildings from the City= of=20 Aurora (municipal public towered airport) on a very long term basis and = annually=20 charges each hangar for providing common area maintenance (taxes, buildin= g=20 exteriors, pavement, etc.). The sub-leases may be bought and sold much= =20 like real property deeds and are recorded with the county clerk since the= =20 term of the lease tracks that of the master lease with the City. =20 Last November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it could= =20 not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 hangars= =20 because the sub-lessees were present and allowed entry. Recently, the FA= A=20 issued a letter to the airport demanding that the airport have =20 "unobstructed" and "free" access to the Sky Haven hangar interiors. Thei= r suggestion=20 was that the airport have keys to each hangar by September 30. =20 The Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the sub-lessee= =20 being present or at any time and by any other means in the case of an =20 emergency. The lease between Sky Haven and the City does provide the City= with=20 the right to "enter upon the premises" at "any reasonable time" for variou= s=20 purposes including inspection. Part of the problem is whether "premises"= =20 includes the interior of each hangar. =20 In any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable search" (4th =20 Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds keys, etc. =20 We have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments are not= =20 very encouraging. =20 The net of all this - another example that the agency that is supposed to= =20 promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the jugular. =20 Scott Krueger N92EX, Hangar 66=20 =20 =20 In a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 starliteaviation@yahoo.com writes: =20 =20 =20 I find the searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not the= =20 only way GA is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, Arizona=20 (NYL), GA is getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know we are a= joint=20 use military base with airline, GA, and military traffic. The airline=20 terminal is on the north side, GA on the west, and military is about a mi= le or=20 more away on the southeast side of the airport. MCAS is one of three base= s=20 that have been chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter and the military did a= threat=20 assessment on the base to list potential problems. Last summer, before I= =20 became the AOPA representative, I was approached by one of the board memb= ers=20 stating the airport management and the board of directors were told by th= e=20 military that GA was a security threat and Personally Operated Vehicles,= =20 POV=E2=80=99s, should no longer be able to drive onto the airport. Since= the meeting=20 was the next day I didn=E2=80=99t have a lot of time to organize the GA= population=20 but was able to get 40 or so pilots together and was able to stall this= =20 initiative. Since that time the airport management and the board of direc= tors=20 have been pushing this issue. So now the airport management has decided= to=20 allow us, for now, to drive to our hangers and T-Shades and will be takin= g=20 away any other driving privileges starting July 1st, 2011. You can see th= e=20 plan at _www.yumaairport.com_ (http://www.yumaairport.com/) on the left= =20 side click on General Aviation, on the right side click on Vehicles. =20 Since then I have become the AOPA ASN Volunteer here at NYL and have=20 attended every monthly board meeting. I feel strongly it won=E2=80=99t be= long before we=20 are not allowed to drive onto the airport. I also question AOPA=E2=80=99s= roll in=20 GA as they were no help at all and I am still awaiting a response from an= =20 email I sent to Sean Collins on 3-14-2011. As someone else made mention,= I=20 guess they are too busy selling alcohol and don=E2=80=99t have time for= us mere=20 pilots. Since when do alcohol and flying go together? =20 Fly Safe,=20 Christopher J. Alberti=20 KNYL AOPA Representative N441JH Lancair 4P Hanger C3 President/CEO=20 Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC=20 1963 S. 39th Drive=20 Yuma, Arizona 85364=20 Phone: 928-581-2383=20 Fax: 928-329-6488 =20 Email: _starliteaviation@yahoo.com_ (mailto:starliteaviation@yahoo.com) = =20 Web Site: _www.starliteat.com_ (http://www.starliteat.com)=20 This message contains confidential information only for the use of the=20 addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for= =20 delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading,=20 disseminating, distributing or copying this message is strictly prohibite= d. 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Chris,
 
Big Squeeze indeed.  I "sublease" a hangar in Sky Haven, th= e 194=20 hangar complex at KARR (www.SkyHaven= .com).  To=20 clarify, rental agreements are made with Sky Haven, a corporation wit= h all=20 of the sub-lessees as its members and run by a board elected from amo= ng the=20 members.  Sky Haven itself leases the grounds and buildings from the= City=20 of Aurora (municipal public towered airport) on a very long term basis and= =20 annually charges each hangar for providing common area maintenan= ce=20 (taxes, building exteriors, pavement, etc.).  The sub-leases may be= bought=20 and sold much like real property deeds and are recorded with the coun= ty=20 clerk since the term of the lease tracks that of the master lease with the= =20 City.
 
Last November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it= could=20 not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 han= gars=20 because the sub-lessees were present and allowed entry.  Recentl= y, the=20 FAA issued a letter to the airport demanding that the airport have=20 "unobstructed" and "free" access to the Sky=20 Haven hangar interiors.  Their suggestion was that the airp= ort=20 have keys to each hangar by September 30.
 
The Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the sub-l= essee=20 being present or at any time and by any other means in the case= of an=20 emergency.  The lease between Sky Haven and the City does provide the= City=20 with the right to "enter upon the premises" at "any reasonable time" for= various=20 purposes including inspection.  Part of the problem is whether "premi= ses"=20 includes the interior of each hangar.
 
In any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable search" (4th= =20 Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds keys, etc.
 
We have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments are= not=20 very encouraging.
 
The net of all this - another example that the agency that is suppose= d to=20 promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the jugular.<= /DIV>
 
Scott Krueger
N92EX, Hangar 66 
 
In a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 starliteaviation@yahoo.com writes:

I find the=20 searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not the only= way GA=20 is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, Arizona (NYL), GA is= =20 getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know we are a joint use mil= itary=20 base with airline, GA, and military traffic. The airline terminal is on= the=20 north side, GA on the west, and military is about a mile or more away on= the=20 southeast side of the airport. MCAS is one of three bases that have been= =20 chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter and the military did a threat assessme= nt on=20 the base to list potential problems. Last summer, before I became the AO= PA=20 representative, I was approached by one of the board members stating the= =20 airport management and the board of directors were told by the military= that=20 GA was a security threat and Personally Operated Vehicles, POV=E2=80=99s= , should no=20 longer be able to drive onto the airport. Since the meeting was the next= day I=20 didn=E2=80=99t have a lot of time to organize the GA population but was= able to get 40=20 or so pilots together and was able to stall this initiative. Since that= time=20 the airport management and the board of directors have been pushing this= =20 issue. So now the airport management has decided to allow us, for now,= to=20 drive to our hangers and T-Shades and will be taking away any other driv= ing=20 privileges starting July 1st, 2011. You can see the plan at= <= SPAN class=3Dyshortcuts1>www.yumaairport.com on=20 the left side click on General Aviation, on the right sid= e click on=20 Vehicles.

Since then I have become the AOPA ASN=20 Volunteer here at NYL and have attended every monthly board meeting. I= feel=20 strongly it won=E2=80=99t be long before we are not allowed to drive ont= o the airport.=20 I also question AOPA=E2=80=99s roll in GA as they were no help at all an= d I am still=20 awaiting a response from an email I sent to Sean Collins on 3-14-2011.= As=20 someone else made mention, I guess they are too busy selling alcohol and= don=E2=80=99t=20 have time for us mere pilots. Since when do alcohol and flying go togeth= er?=20


 
Fly Safe,

Chris= topher=20 J. Alberti
KNYL AOPA=20 Representative
N441JH Lancair 4P Hange= r=20 C3
President/CEO
Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC
1963 S.= 39th=20 Drive
Yuma, Arizona 85364
Phone: 928-581-2383
Fax: 928-329-6= 488=20
Email: starliteaviation@yahoo.com
Web Site: www.starliteat.com

This message contains confidential=20 information only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the=20 addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee,= you=20 are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing or copying= this=20 message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mis= take,=20 please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original mes= sage=20 immediately=20 thereafter.
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