Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #58077
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Gear operation fix for the LNC2
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:49:43 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Are you aware that the pump has a pressure relief's that vent to the reservoir at about 1500 psi to prevent excess pressure in the lines? Build your system to handle 3000 psi like it should be and you're good. I have attached the spec sheet of the Oildyne 108 pump for your inspection.
 
I say again, I don't like the idea of relying on the friction of an O-ring for the proper operation of the landing gear.
 
Did you ever figure out why you had a pump failure causing your gear-up landing ? Would my module have prevented that ?
 
Wolfgang

 
From: GT Phantom <gt_phantom@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Gear operation fix for the LNC2
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:13:07 -0400
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Wolfgang,

I know that this was discussed a while back, but it occurs to me that this module could induce catastrophic failure if it activates a few times in flight, e.g. if the pressure for some ungodly reason is NOT relieved the pump could build up so much pressure that it blows a seal or worse.

Bypassing the pressure switches AUTOMATICALLY is not, IMHO, an actual solution but rather a work-around that could unintentionally cause unexpected consequences.  While fixing the pump with the latest mods and installing the three-way dump valve is probably the best actual solution (fix the problem, not the symptoms), if you want to do a work-around it's probably safer to use the momentary push-button solution (e.g. manually bypassing the pressure switch by intentional pilot command) than to have an automatic system repeatedly exercising a workaround without the pilot's knowledge.

Everyone,

By now some of you know that I experienced engine loss a few months ago and ended up attempting to land on a highway.  Unfortunately an SUV pulled onto the highway at the last moment, and the energy spent waiting to get past the SUV was simply too much to leave enough for a flare.  The result was a hard touchdown, breaking off the left main and slamming the left wingtip onto the highway.  The plane pulled hard left, leaving me concerned that the plane would cross the grass median into oncoming traffic.  There was just enough energy left to momentarily re-raise the left wing, apply the right brake and rudder to straighten out, and make a split second decision as to whether I could land on two wheels safely or whether attempting that would result in either resuming course towards oncoming traffic or result in flipping in the median.  Given the choice, I chose to raise the remaining gear and slide rather than risk flipping and being trapped in a scenario that might possibly have involved gasoline leaking on a hot engine with us trapped inside.  Google N351E for photos of the result.

Why is that pertinent to this discussion?

Prior to that I had had a gear-up landing from pump failure and other factors involving a potential partner.  I spent 3 yrs of weekends rebuilding and a year flying before this incident.  In the mean time, I became VERY familiar with my systems.  And, I just don't want to see any more of our community end up busting their ass if it is avoidable or spending your time fixing what might have remained a perfectly good airplane.

SOooooooo.... 

Chris has made an EXTREMELY generous offer to all of you.  If you don't KNOW that your pump has the latest mods, take him up on it.  He is sharp and an obsessively careful individual.

Install the 3-way valve if you have the time and inclination.  Install the push-button override, too.

But do NOT install automated work-arounds that may be disguising or exacerbating real problems.

Please.

Blue skies,

Bill Reister



From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 10:13:18 AM
Subject: [LML] Gear operation fix for the LNC2

Here are some details on the Gear Fix Module - - - - -


There is a potential for the landing gear to fail to operate in the LNC2.
 
The spool in the hydraulic pump can come off it's end position and seal the fluid volume in the lines. When the system incurs a large temperature rise, the trapped fluid expands raising the pressure in the lines, tripping both pressure switches open and making the hydraulic pump inoperable.
 
A module to fix this gear operation failure in the LNC2 using the standard hydraulic system is now available. It is installed across the pressure switches and monitors their operation. If both switches are tripped open by high pressure, the pump is made to run in the direction set by the gear switch re-seating the spool in it's end position restoring normal pump operation and relieving pressure in the offending side. This happens automatically without pilot intervention.
 
The module is 2.5" x 1.5" x .75", weighs 2.3 oz. and has two pairs of leads that connect directly to each pressure switch with 1/4" spade terminals. No other wiring is necessary. Price is $250.00 each. Simple installation instructions included.
 
Contact Wolfgang Franke at 248-471-2000 or Wolfgang@MiCom.net


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