X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4951398 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:37:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gJOmOlgl0PZVOqyoScEFwotXkDv33j9EU8W52hyGSer/Tt0DdIUc1Yr9AS7T1+lb; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.194] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QCKT7-0008B3-Tc for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:36:30 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-351-678958014 Subject: Re: [LML] beware, you may be searched! X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:36:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da94093df9a719410bf6090847abf9b50f27a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.194 --Apple-Mail-351-678958014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 cool. so what ARE our rights in such a situation? and what happens if = you bring on the dogs in practice? On Apr 19, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bob Rickard wrote: > Fellow LML=92ers > =20 > It seems inevitable that the govt will search you at some point. Just = some info on what happened to me yesterday, you can hopefully use this = to react appropriately for your situation. This is the third incident = just at our little airport in Missouri of this happening=85.. > =20 > Bob Rickard > IV-P > =20 > On 18 April, 2011, I filed IFR from KGEU to K1H0 direct, with my wife = on board. At 0845L, I departed KGEU VFR and picked up my filed IFR = clearance to K1H0 at FL210 with ABQ center. The flight was uneventful = and I cancelled IFR approximately 10 miles from K1H0 with St. Louis = Approach and landed at 1443L. Upon landing and taxi to my hanger (P3) = at Creve Coeur Airport, I was surrounded by 6 Maryland Heights Police = cars and about 10 officers. I exited the plane and was approached by = the supervisor and asked if I had any identification. I produced my = military ID (I am a LtCol in the Air Force Reserve flying F-22=92s) as = well as my driver=92s license, and asked the supervisor what the problem = was. He told me that he got a =93tip=94 from the Federal Government = that there may be a federal fugitive on board by the name of Robert = Mcrae. He wasn=92t sure of the name and asked me if I knew anyone by a = name similar to that, to which I answered =93no=94 to all. He also = stated that he was surprised to see a woman in the plane with me since = his informant said there would be two men in the plane. I inquired as = to who would give a tip like that, and he was vague. A this point my = wife exited the plane and was asked to produce her ID as well and was = questioned as to what we were doing and where we were going and where we = came from. It was apparent to the supervisor pretty quickly that my = wife and I were not federal fugitives as they ran our ID=92s, but he = asked to search the airplane anyway. I told him that I was aware of my = rights and he could not search anything without a warrant, and he was = quick to add =93or your permission=94 and =93I could have the dogs come = out=94. (side note =96 they don=92t need a warrant to have the dogs = check out your aircraft =96 if the dogs find something and indicate, = then they have probable cause to search you without a warrant. If the = dogs find nothing they cannot search your aircraft until a warrant is = issued). I told him that I would play nice, had nothing to hide, and = that my plan was to take my belongings out of the airplane and put them = in my car to go home, and I would allow him to see what I took out and = visually see inside the cockpit and baggage compartment, but I was not = allowing a search of the airplane. He agreed to this. I took my 2 = pieces of luggage out of the back and showed him the contents briefly = (not a complete search but opened up the zipper and showed clothes on = top) as well as the couple of vases we had bought in Phoenix and = lunch/sodas we had in the cockpit. They saw nothing of interest and = returned my wife=92s ID, but kept mine and made further calls. The = supervisor indicated =93I=92m on overtime, I am outta here=94 and left, = but another officer checked with =93EPIC=94 (unsure of the spelling) = which he told me was an international consortium that traded information = on travel, etc. He told me he was aware of my trip earlier this year to = Mexico and the Cayman Islands (honeymoon cruise) but there was nothing = to get me in trouble. He then returned my ID and let us go. > =20 --Apple-Mail-351-678958014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 cool.  so what ARE our rights in such a = situation?   and what happens if you bring on the dogs in = practice?

On Apr 19, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bob Rickard = wrote:

Fellow LML=92ers
It seems inevitable that the govt = will search you at some point.  Just some info on what happened to = me yesterday, you can hopefully use this to react appropriately for your = situation.  This is the third incident just at our little airport = in Missouri of this happening=85..
Bob Rickard
 
On 18 April, 2011, = I filed IFR from KGEU to K1H0 direct, with my wife on board.  At = 0845L, I departed KGEU VFR and picked up my filed IFR clearance to K1H0 = at FL210 with ABQ center.  The flight was uneventful and I = cancelled IFR approximately 10 miles from K1H0 with St. Louis Approach = and landed at 1443L.  Upon landing and taxi to my hanger (P3) at = Creve Coeur Airport, I was surrounded by 6 Maryland Heights Police cars = and about 10 officers.  I exited the plane and was approached by = the supervisor and asked if I had any identification.  I produced = my military ID (I am a LtCol in the Air Force Reserve flying F-22=92s) = as well as my driver=92s license, and asked the supervisor what the = problem was.  He told me that he got a =93tip=94 from the Federal = Government that there may be a federal fugitive on board by the name of = Robert Mcrae.  He wasn=92t sure of the name and asked me if I knew = anyone by a name similar to that, to which I answered =93no=94 to = all.  He also stated that he was surprised to see a woman in the = plane with me since his informant said there would be two men in the = plane.  I inquired as to who would give a tip like that, and he was = vague.  A this point my wife exited the plane and was asked to = produce her ID as well and was questioned as to what we were doing and = where we were going and where we came from.   It was apparent = to the supervisor pretty quickly that my wife and I were not federal = fugitives as they ran our ID=92s, but he asked to search the airplane = anyway.  I told him that I was aware of my rights and he could not = search anything without a warrant, and he was quick to add =93or your = permission=94 and =93I could have the dogs come out=94.  (side note = =96 they don=92t need a warrant to have the dogs check out your aircraft = =96 if the dogs find something and indicate, then they have probable = cause to search you without a warrant.  If the dogs find nothing = they cannot search your aircraft until a warrant is issued).  I = told him that I would play nice, had nothing to hide, and that my plan = was to take my belongings out of the airplane and put them in my car to = go home, and I would allow him to see what I took out and visually see = inside the cockpit and baggage compartment, but I was not allowing a = search of the airplane.  He agreed to this. I took my 2 pieces of = luggage out of the back and showed him the contents briefly (not a = complete search but opened up the zipper and showed clothes on top) as = well as the couple of vases we had bought in Phoenix and lunch/sodas we = had in the cockpit.  They saw nothing of interest and returned my = wife=92s ID, but kept mine and made further calls.  The supervisor = indicated =93I=92m on overtime, I am outta here=94 and left, but another = officer checked with =93EPIC=94 (unsure of the spelling) which he told = me was an international consortium that traded information on travel, = etc.  He told me he was aware of my trip earlier this year to = Mexico and the Cayman Islands (honeymoon cruise) but there was nothing = to get me in trouble.  He then returned my ID and let us = go.