X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm30-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.130] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4946740 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:05:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.130; envelope-from=gbfitz@swbell.net Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 02:04:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 02:04:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2011 02:04:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 8565.75264.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15101 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2011 02:04:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:Content-Language; b=pq8LeF9QMc+Z1gGy2uhQWlT3qxjfJI8rtEaQph7Oe2KolzWOOrv6FxJz6CRz/5/rfqX2F9ZnswjmT34/LP0lZng2ogqQ+N5vQ7HAI6N4ahuR3FJunzJsozziYNd+eFElhYob5xToUbXDNMnwgyPwE1QwYgVLw2PUWjRG0huDu0I= ; Received: from MonsterGarage (gbfitz@99.191.176.124 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2011 19:04:54 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: YDcEmEeswBCQ9VCECdJgJSdIOsUDlolGAbHYYIoo X-YMail-OSG: K2GQth0VM1kAn_bdjxrgH_NIZk4b_ag1KTJulf.Omuwxi_l anzz_bj734utQzD.f1nPPnzNybaaiLkvCd5CRntOmXFcvGEcJfB98.Hq1HYU .dRb5Ddo6JRl2FVS2_KWlnVvEX9l0oDk1D7kqndX0Em3iQKtDBSIxv8IIp8_ m3ZRuJYR1ULihG1AX.7h9Ge8cve5B15l0jWrTau8ippYmW4succH_YC45eBi dLWgUTyATjrIktIiAphE0ii2AdEy9cYwIV9D6Pt4Qq5MOV.zDVqqqcI1RGAL E8HEQS0AkAxQoFA10uedo_ZDzJpCxVuZoXK6wPLNCqX2yrtXuahz2t7l_Mtd .eZn2vFSJaumYrvlDZj_12stbbbajsIDy6EoX X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Gary Fitzgerald" X-Original-To: , References: <12ab0.43d60c41.3ad8f3eb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12ab0.43d60c41.3ad8f3eb@aol.com> Subject: [LML] RE: Alodine + Hysol X-Original-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:04:42 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <003f01cbfb11$7c62b2d0$75281870$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CBFAE7.938CAAD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Acv7CV1fRjrqo5IMRPOnY7w8WEsPCAABktPw Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CBFAE7.938CAAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, =20 I wasn=E2=80=99t so much looking for alodine as a pretreatment for the = Hysol, it was more to protect it from corrosion. As you may have = guessed, the hinge brackets for the forward hinge canopy in the 320/360 = series is an aluminum bracket that=E2=80=99s bonded to the header tank, = never to be removed. As such, corrosion on this part would fall under = the category of =E2=80=9Cstuff you don=E2=80=99t want to = happen=E2=80=9D. My question was more along the lines of =E2=80=9CIf I = alodined my brackets for protection, could it have an adverse impact on = the ability of Hysol to bond the bracket to the header tank=E2=80=9D. =20 This has been my business and livehood for about 33 years and never have = had a question like this. =20 You don=E2=80=99t know how many times I=E2=80=99ve heard that while = building this plane=E2=80=A6 =20 Gary Fitzgerald LNC2 ~70% Engine: TBD St. Charles, MO =20 From: N66mg@aol.com [mailto:N66mg@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:06 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net; gbfitz@swbell.net Subject: Fwd: [LML] Alodine + Hysol =20 Gary, Alodine is a chromate conversion that is usually applied to bare = aluminum for corrosion protection and a base for painting the aluminum. = As for a pretreatment for hysol, I'm not so sure. This has been my = business and livehood for about 33 years and never have had a question = like this. I think that if you rough sand paper the part you might have = a better adhesion than with the Alodine. It was designed for paint = adhesion Michael Giardino Glasair n66mg Flying L-IV n7sz 95% n7sz =20 _____ =20 From: Reply-to: To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: 4/14/2011 6:43:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: [LML] Alodine + Hysol =20 Does treating an aluminum part with alodine affect the ability of Hysol = to stick to it? =20 As long as we=E2=80=99re on the topic, these (forward hinged) canopy = hinge brackets look like they already have some sort of coating on them. = Did anybody else add some sort of protection to these things, or am I = just overthinking this? =20 Gary Fitzgerald LNC2 ~70% Engine: TBD St. Charles, MO =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CBFAE7.938CAAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike,

 

I wasn=E2=80=99t so much looking for alodine as a pretreatment for = the Hysol, it was more to protect it from corrosion.=C2=A0 As you may = have guessed, the hinge brackets for the forward hinge canopy in the = 320/360 series is an aluminum bracket that=E2=80=99s bonded to the = header tank, never to be removed.=C2=A0 As such, corrosion on this part = would fall under the category of =E2=80=9Cstuff you don=E2=80=99t want = to happen=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 My question was more along the lines of = =E2=80=9CIf I alodined my brackets for protection, could it have an = adverse impact on the ability of Hysol to bond the bracket to the header = tank=E2=80=9D.

 

This = has been my business and livehood for about 33 years and never have had = a question like this.

=  

You don=E2=80=99t know how many times I=E2=80=99ve heard that while = building this plane=E2=80=A6

=  

Gary Fitzgerald

LNC2 ~70%

Engine: TBD

St. Charles, MO

 

From:= = N66mg@aol.com [mailto:N66mg@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, April = 14, 2011 8:06 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net; = gbfitz@swbell.net
Subject: Fwd: [LML] Alodine + = Hysol

 

Gary,<= o:p>

Alodine is a chromate conversion that is usually applied = to bare aluminum for corrosion protection and a base for painting the = aluminum.  As for a pretreatment for hysol,  I'm not so = sure.  This has been my business and livehood for about 33 years = and never have had a question like this.  I think that if you rough = sand paper the part you might have a better adhesion than with the = Alodine.  It was designed for paint adhesion<= o:p>

Michael Giardino<= o:p>

Glasair n66mg Flying<= o:p>

L-IV = n7sz  95%<= o:p>

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F= rom: Reply-to: To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: 4/14/2011 6:43:06 A.M. = Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: [LML] Alodine + = Hysol

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Does  treating an aluminum part with alodine affect the ability = of Hysol to stick to it?

 

As long as we=E2=80=99re on the topic, these (forward hinged) canopy = hinge brackets look like they already have some sort of coating on = them.  Did anybody else add some sort of protection to these = things, or am I just overthinking this?

 

Gary Fitzgerald

LNC2 ~70%

Engine: TBD

St. Charles, MO

 

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