X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:44:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net ([68.230.241.213] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with ESMTP id 4901742 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:35:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.213; envelope-from=needforspeed01@cox.net Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110310123431.RZMZ3772.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:34:31 -0500 Received: from Kitchen ([98.185.155.13]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HQaN1g0080HczFm02QaXq2; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:34:31 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=S5/TtLBthv66XBNldneo7nO6az9wtFvxOljia+pfCCk= c=1 sm=1 a=XEyd1ceW2zwA:10 a=lL/s08V7zanNZZUsohzzpw==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o83nqyVRAAAA:8 a=YUcaXyFOGL7AKyZujxsA:9 a=VBi_81ku7J1oCBFWkDcA:7 a=WzFopqkmNPrFQI5O5sWJ5UiDjTMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=ZrMMMnaxNC4A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=j6r75FtGIRY6Itmw-ZcA:9 a=D7GapAojHi4p7F4dNKUA:7 a=9w4TUD0IhSdtgfAxVLvxMh2Q6foA:4 a=lL/s08V7zanNZZUsohzzpw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Dana Westphal" X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. X-Original-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:34:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBDEED.31AF2B50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcvfHC6YbnRSIuEWQMqee3CicuaqLgAANRRQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <20110310123431.RZMZ3772.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBDEED.31AF2B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On my Legacy, the clearance between the canopy frame, instruments/avionics and panel was so tight that I didn't have the room to apply a leather or some other cover material to the dust cover. As such, mine is simply painted satin black. Not as elegant as a cover, but it looks OK and is lighter. Note that I may need to repaint it flat black as the glare gets pretty bad at certain sun orientations. So far, no burn problems. Also note that I made my dust cover by cutting and combining two dust covers; the old style one (with the "hump") from Lancair and a new style one that I purchased. After bonding the two together, I still had to perform some "shaping" using the good old heat gun in order to mold it around the instruments. Not perfect, but done! Dana Westphal Lancair Legacy RG N97DW "Built over Geologic Time" "Flying at Warp Speed" _____ From: randy snarr [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:26 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. Charles, Good points. Any thin metal will work even aluminum foil. The only rub is making it not ugly.. Randy.. "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Charles Patton wrote: From: Charles Patton Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 8:38 AM What about a small patch of thicker dull black anodized aluminum, or even better, blackened copper? The marks I generally saw on my plane and others looked to be primarily melting the plastic. I recovered our dash's plastic that had several melt "burn" marks with leather and ended up with one more scorch mark on it -- not a big one, but still visible. So my t thought is that if the aluminum is thick enough, it will conduct the heat away and spread it out. That's why the alternate material of copper would be even better, very high melting point, and better heat conductivity. What I'm less clear on is the black copper coating durability. Anodized aluminum coatings are extremely robust. So the best of two worlds -- bonded aluminum/copper sandwiches like our "silver" coinage. The anodized aluminum up, and copper underneath? Regards, Charles Patton ex-LN2 owner -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CBDEED.31AF2B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On my Legacy, the clearance between = the canopy frame, instruments/avionics and panel was so tight that I = didn’t have the room to apply a leather or some other cover material to the dust = cover.  As such, mine is simply painted satin black.  Not as elegant as a = cover, but it looks OK and is lighter.  Note that I may need to repaint it = flat black as the glare gets pretty bad at certain sun orientations.  So far, = no burn problems.  Also note that I made my dust cover by cutting and = combining two dust covers; the old style one (with the “hump”) from = Lancair and a new style one that I purchased.  After bonding the two together, I = still had to perform some “shaping” using the good old heat gun in = order to mold it around the instruments.  Not perfect, but = done!

 

Dana = Westphal

Lancair Legacy RG = N97DW

= “Built over Geologic Time”

= “Flying at Warp Speed”

 

From: randy = snarr [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March = 09, 2011 7:26 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: = Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn.

 

Charles,
Good points.
Any thin metal will work even aluminum foil.
The only rub is making it not ugly..
Randy..

"Flight by machines heavier = than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly = impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Charles Patton = <charles.r.patton@ieee.org><= /span> wrote:


From: Charles Patton <charles.r.patton@ieee.org>
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn.
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 8:38 AM


What about  a small patch of thicker dull black anodized = aluminum, or even better, blackened copper?  The marks I generally saw on my = plane and others looked to be primarily melting the plastic.  I = recovered our dash's plastic that had several melt "burn" marks with = leather and ended up with one more scorch mark on it -- not a big one, but still visible.  So my t thought is that if the aluminum is thick = enough, it will conduct the heat away and spread it out.  That's why the = alternate material of copper would be even better, very high melting point, and = better heat conductivity.  What I'm less clear on is the black copper = coating durability.   Anodized aluminum coatings are extremely robust.  So the best of two worlds -- bonded aluminum/copper = sandwiches like our "silver" coinage.  The anodized aluminum up, = and copper underneath?
Regards,
Charles Patton  ex-LN2 owner

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