X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4890571 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:34:52 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 12443 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2011 14:34:17 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.235.58.63] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair 360 Inner Doors X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:34:15 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <033401cbda79$3d6e06f0$b84a14d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0335_01CBDA36.2F4AC6F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acvadn5KsqYJfrdTRGOvfRgj0wfsOAAAiemg Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0335_01CBDA36.2F4AC6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lots of talk about hinges on the gear doors. Consider that aluminum by its nature wears with time, friction and the elements. Probably no way to stop it. That means the moment you put that aluminum hinge in service the fit between the pin and the hinge begins to wear and gradually become more and more sloppy. Carbinge is designed with a nylon bearing that in our studies overcomes this quandary. Shameless plug, John Barrett Leading Edge Composites www.carbinge.com From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Zavatson Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:14 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair 360 Inner Doors Jack, If you extend the hinge line all the way forward to the leading edge of the door when you change out the hinge, it will stop the premature wear. The attached photo shows this mod with the original door installed. It will not stop all the 'shaking in the breeze' as seen in the video link, but will help save the hinge. The moment arm for the actuator is still too small for the size of the door. http://www.n91cz.com/Outback-Gear/DoorShake.wmv http://www.n91cz.com/misc/gear_hinge_small.JPG Rod end bearings come in different flavors. This goes for all the spherical bearings as well, If you upgrade to a better alloy, it will prevent the play from developing. The load rating will seem excessive, but you will never have to replace the bearing for the life of the plane. Tolerances will remain much better. You can download the Aurora catalog, for example, and see how different series have different load ratings for the same dimensions. You'll need to go to a bearing place like Motion Industries to get these. Chris Zavatson N91CZ 360std www.N91CZ.com _____ From: JON ADDISON To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 12:37:46 PM Subject: [LML] Lancair 360 Inner Doors Lancair 360 Inner Doors... again... I have the larger inner doors and they vibrtate badly. (Someday I'll try to get the 3 piece carbon fiber doors) But for now: I'm in the process of changing the worn hindge to an extruded aluminum hindge with an "over size" 3/32 " (.095 ") stainless steel welding rod. Plus replacing worn rod-end bearing. (New from Lancair this morning) Considering remaking the attach channel that connects the rod end bearing and actuator to the door. ie making it twice as long as the origional. Wondering if the attach point under the seat needs to be make tighter with possibly metal sleeves after drilling out the attach bracket on flloor. Also, considering making a tiny spoiler 1/8 " or so high and temp mounting on aft / lower edge of door to stabalize it (and probably loose a knot). Opinions and fixes that worked?? (Except the carbon doors which I can't afford yet.) And also does anyone know if the inner door actrator can be rebuilt... both or mine leak a bit. Jack Addison N360JS Sisters, Oregon _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3480 - Release Date: 03/03/11 ------=_NextPart_000_0335_01CBDA36.2F4AC6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lots of talk about hinges on the gear doors.  Consider that = aluminum by its nature wears with time, friction and the elements.  = Probably no way to stop it.  That means the moment you put that = aluminum hinge in service the fit between the pin and the hinge begins = to wear and gradually become more and more = sloppy.

 

Carbinge is designed with a nylon bearing that in our studies = overcomes this quandary.  

 

Shameless plug,

 

John Barrett

Leading Edge Composites

www.carbinge.com

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Chris Zavatson
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:14 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lancair 360 Inner Doors

 

Jack,

If you = extend the hinge line all the way forward to the leading edge of the = door when you change out the hinge, it will stop the premature = wear.  The attached photo shows this mod with the original door = installed.  It will not stop all the 'shaking in the breeze' as = seen in the video link, but will help save the hinge.  The moment = arm for the actuator is still too small for the size of the = door.

 

 

Rod end = bearings come in different flavors.  This goes for all the = spherical bearings as well, If you upgrade to a better alloy, it will = prevent the play from developing.  The load rating will seem = excessive, but you will never have to replace the bearing = for the life of the plane.  Tolerances will remain much = better.  You can download the Aurora catalog, for = example, and see how different series have different load ratings for = the same dimensions.  You'll need to go to a bearing place like = Motion Industries to get these.

 

Chris = Zavatson

N91CZ

360std

www.N91CZ.com

 

From:= = JON ADDISON <jraddison@msn.com>
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 12:37:46 = PM
Subject: [LML] Lancair 360 Inner = Doors

Lancair 360 Inner Doors... again...
 
I = have the larger inner doors and they vibrtate badly.  (Someday I'll = try to get the 3 piece carbon fiber doors)
 
But for = now:  I'm in the process of changing the worn hindge to an extruded = aluminum hindge with an "over size" 3/32 " (.095 ") = stainless steel welding rod.
 
Plus replacing worn rod-end = bearing.  (New from Lancair this morning)
 
Considering = remaking the attach channel that connects the rod end bearing and = actuator to the door.  ie making it twice as long as the = origional. 
 
Wondering if the attach point under the = seat needs to be make tighter with possibly metal sleeves  after = drilling out the attach bracket on flloor.
 
Also, = considering making a tiny spoiler 1/8 " or so high and temp = mounting on aft / lower edge of door to stabalize it (and probably loose = a knot).
 
Opinions and fixes that worked??  (Except the = carbon doors which I can't afford yet.)
 
And also does = anyone know if the inner door actrator can be rebuilt... both or mine = leak a bit.
 
Jack Addison
N360JS  Sisters, = Oregon

 

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 10.0.1204 / = Virus Database: 1435/3480 - Release Date: = 03/03/11

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