X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:46:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.238] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2a) with SMTP id 4825398 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:01:28 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.238; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 04:00:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.12] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 04:00:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2011 04:00:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 572108.22551.bm@omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52842 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2011 04:00:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gI2B+I+jTi4ech/5BMW+Yedsh+taIZSCNrnpREe6LUwD2Q1VKQ65HaviWgS+9atUO3TgZOtzSRFBzSnaUGZAuv/zz3M6RcF7CGbISxcrzVcQRepWhsXN4IQPEb9XHDHaGvdO9j4kV4leHjqJeMO3nh46ccnfD8azO08EKu/r/4U=; X-Original-Message-ID: <83616.52334.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 31G6JuoVM1mSGE7jqeJLAlmy0C2DyjaIJbKlGpYx63HqR63 mpch8tjMh.CeFldrpVlKQD7EVHKH0AfSAmVmBjbn5CsN75sOe5U.HJy9azzC kxImmz4uUmT8ujSwoOqPDtM7ZbGkF6SSeiZLP803Dp4F2h8MtyywmSyvwnA4 ryXSIKfrgTkYPo3CjO9E_mquJJellxxBXkzgVyyx156jfMu88_othLi1PDco zLvN17OP.nI0nJDWxAbn2o1YsbDj3YrQ4WqhS5YotxBk3P.HzuaNJcfIlbRq INZFc4KgLGTLZ87NYIMDbI1yNtyWzcnoiLmS0pPU16jlb7Fz_RdLg6l8cX_F 4ZsMwBfPMLNi.j8DOQMMTILmPS68sm8md671w9t60vLLAXSF9pjDQMWwlzrP RADsvBACC.UkA Received: from [76.8.220.21] by web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:00:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:00:51 -0800 (PST) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 320/360 Redesigned over center drag link 250 hr update X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-57931038-1295928051=:52334" --0-57931038-1295928051=:52334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bryan, I have bought them from Lowes before..I think they sell them at $2 or so ea= ch. 1/2" OD 3/16" ID by .5 long. I bought them recently from a specialized hardware supplier and paid $.60 e= a. Pre oiled brass.=20 The steel sleeve will be tight when the new part is pressed in but it will = loosen up with use.. Best, Randy... "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Bryan Wullner wrote: From: Bryan Wullner Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 Redesigned over center drag link 250 hr update To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:54 PM Hey Randy,=0AI have the updated link on my 360. I was just curious what siz= e the bushing is and where do you get them when you need to replace?=0AThan= ks=0ABryan =0AOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:57 AM, randy snarr wro= te: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFor those of you that have the new over center link we built= a few years ago with the bushing and steel sleeve, here is a 250 hour upda= te on my airplane. I had my airplane up on jacks whilst rebuilding the hydraulic cylinders. I = checked for play where the nose gear drag link connects to the oleo strut. = ( the previous problem area) Mine had a very slight amount. Not enough to r= eplace anything but I wanted to pull it apart and inspect it and report my = findings to those of you that have these. It looks like the updated part we= made is working very well. The pre oiled brass bushing had worn (slightly)= as planned. I pressed in a new bushing, inserted the steel sleeve and the = link is as tight as it was when it was new!=A0 Time to replace was about 20= minutes and at a cost of $.63 for the standard size bushing... =0A I still have a few of these links if anyone else wants one.. Please contact me off line.. Attached is a pic of the part when I was doing the bushing replacement. Best, Randy Snarr N694RS 235/320 =0A "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Thu, 1/20/11, rwolf99@aol.com wrote: =0A=0A From: rwolf99@aol.com =0ASubject: [LML] Lithium Batteries and New Ideas To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 2:18 PM =0A=0AMichael wrote:=0A=A0=0A<> =0A=0ANo offense is taken.=A0 No argument is intended.=A0 Just a clarificat= ion.=0A=A0=0AMy motivation was simply to point out that there is a signific= ant risk that needs to be researched and mitigated by anyone who wants to m= ake their own battery pack from new lithium battery cells.=A0 I thought the= original poster of the idea might be unaware of this particular risk.=A0 I= think I qualified my statement by saying that modern lithium batteries wer= e outside of my area of expertise, and that while the risk/benefit of build= ing=A0my own battery was not favorable for me, it might be for him.=A0 That= 's all.=A0 I suppose I came across as a wet blanket, but the downside risk = is considerable in this particular case.=A0 He may be a professional batter= y engineer (or have a friend who is), knows that it will take a huge amount= of effort to get it right, but be willing to do it anyway.=A0 (Then he can= sell his idea to a battery manufacturer and we'll all be buying his produc= t, eh?=A0 Capitalism at it's best!)=0A=0A=A0=0AI'm doing some things on my = Lancair that may make another person squeamish.=A0 We all are.=A0 But they = are different things for each of us, partly based on our own level of comfo= rt but also based on our own experience and knowledge.=A0 That's the beauty= of the experimental movement.=A0 We can do what we each think is safe.=A0 = But I welcome anyone who says "this idea of yours may be dangerous, please = check it out and make sure it's safe".=A0 That's all I was trying to do.=0A= =0A=A0=0AI was also trying to express a legal disclaimer like Brent Regan's= "I am an idiot,=A0I know nothing", which in Brent's case most of us don't = believe anyway.=0A=A0=0A- Rob Wolf=0A=A0 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-57931038-1295928051=:52334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bryan,
I have bought them from Lowes b= efore..I think they sell them at $2 or so each.
1/2" OD 3/16" ID by .5 l= ong.
I bought them recently from a specialized hardware supplier and pai= d $.60 ea.
Pre oiled brass.
The steel sleeve will be tight when the = new part is pressed in but it will loosen up with use..
Best,
Randy..= .


"Flight by machines heavie= r than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Mon, 1/24/11, Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com> wrote:

Fr= om: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 Re= designed over center drag link 250 hr update
To: lml@lancaironline.netDate: Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:54 PM

He= y Randy,
=0A
I have the updated link on my 360. I was just curious= what size the bushing is and where do you get them when you need to replac= e?
=0A
Thanks
=0A
Bryan

=0A
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:57 AM, randy snarr <randylsna= rr@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A
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For those of you= that have the new over center link we built a few years ago with the bushi= ng and steel sleeve, here is a 250 hour update on my airplane.

I had= my airplane up on jacks whilst rebuilding the hydraulic cylinders. I check= ed for play where the nose gear drag link connects to the oleo strut. ( the= previous problem area) Mine had a very slight amount. Not enough to replac= e anything but I wanted to pull it apart and inspect it and report my findi= ngs to those of you that have these. It looks like the updated part we made= is working very well. The pre oiled brass bushing had worn (slightly) as p= lanned. I pressed in a new bushing, inserted the steel sleeve and the link = is as tight as it was when it was new!  Time to replace was about 20 m= inutes and at a cost of $.63 for the standard size bushing...
=0A
I s= till have a few of these links if anyone else wants one..
Please contact= me off line..
Attached is a pic of the part when I was doing the bushin= g replacement.

Best,
Randy Snarr
N694RS
235/320
=0A
<= span style=3D"font-style: italic;">"Flight by machines heavier than air is = unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"
-Simon = Newcomb, 1902

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, rwolf99@aol.com <rwolf99@aol.com> wrote:
=0A=0A
=
From: rwolf99@aol.com <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:rwolf99@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" hre= f=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Drwolf99@aol.com">rwolf99@aol.com>
=0ASubjec= t: [LML] Lithium Batteries and New Ideas
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Thursday, Janu= ary 20, 2011, 2:18 PM

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Michael wrote:
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<<I= do not want to start an argument,  but it is frustrating for people t= o say they don't like ideas based on out-of-date or incomplete data. &= nbsp; I am building an experimental aircraft to test and learn new things, = for the pure joy of experimenting.  Please don't try to stifle experim= entation without doing your research.>>
=0A
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No offense is taken.  No argument is intended.  Jus= t a clarification.
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=0A
My motivation was simply to point out that there is = a significant risk that needs to be researched and mitigated by anyone who = wants to make their own battery pack from new lithium battery cells.  = I thought the original poster of the idea might be unaware of this particul= ar risk.  I think I qualified my statement by saying that modern lithi= um batteries were outside of my area of expertise, and that while the risk/= benefit of building my own battery was not favorable for me, it might = be for him.  That's all.  I suppose I came across as a wet blanke= t, but the downside risk is considerable in this particular case.  He = may be a professional battery engineer (or have a friend who is), knows tha= t it will take a huge amount of effort to get it right, but be willing to d= o it anyway.  (Then he can sell his idea to a battery manufacturer and= we'll all be buying his product, eh?  Capitalism at it's best!)
=0A=0A
 
=0A
I'm doing some things on my Lancair that may make another pe= rson squeamish.  We all are.  But they are different things for e= ach of us, partly based on our own level of comfort but also based on our o= wn experience and knowledge.  That's the beauty of the experimental mo= vement.  We can do what we each think is safe.  But I welcome any= one who says "this idea of yours may be dangerous, please check it out and = make sure it's safe".  That's all I was trying to do.
=0A=0A
 
=0A
I was als= o trying to express a legal disclaimer like Brent Regan's "I am an idiot,&n= bsp;I know nothing", which in Brent's case most of us don't believe anyway.=
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- Rob Wolf
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