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Well said, Rob.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:57 AM, <rwolf99@aol.com> wrote:

> <<Right.  besides it will make interesting reading for the insurance
> underwriter......NOT>>
>
> Oh.  Well, in that case, I'll have to own up to the most egregious
> characteristic of all.  I have an attitude indicator and a directional gyro
> that are actually vacuum powered!  No electric backup!  A single battery
> bus!  I know this strikes fear in the hearts of insurers, as I received a
> written notice from Cessna warning me of the danger of my Cessna 150 which
> was thusly equipped, as was every single Cessna and Piper ASEL certified and
> delivered to that date.
>
> Colyn, I'm pulling your leg here.  In real terms, the vacuum system may
> actually be the most dangerous feature of my airplane in the eyes of the
> insurers, and yet it has been delivered in hundreds of thousands of single
> engine airplanes.  So how bad can it be?  I know the insurers look at forums
> like this, but I hope that fear of insurers does not stifle innovation in
> experimental aviation.  After all, the affordable "electronic gyro" display
> (Dynon D-10), the electronic ignition (Lightspeed, Jeff Rose, maybe others),
> synthetic vision (Sierra Flight Systems) were hatched in the experimental
> market and were probably considered highly dangerous by insurers because
> they deviated from the certified norm.  However, these products and their
> progeny are the very products that we look to for improving flight safety
> today.
>
> Nevertheless, there are characteristics in most of our airplanes that
> deviate from the certified norm.  Dangerous?  Some might be, some might not
> be.  I hope we feel comfortable discussing them in this forum and learning
> from our more knowledgeable brethren where the pitfalls might realy be, so
> that we can implement safe versions of our innovative ideas.
>
> - Rob Wolf (obviously with too much time on my hands today...)
>

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Well said, Rob.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4=
:57 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rwolf99@aol.com">rwolf99@a=
ol.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">
<font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">&lt;&lt;<font face=3D"Couri=
er New">Right. =A0besides it will make interesting reading for the insuranc=
e underwriter......NOT</font>&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>


<div style=3D"clear: both;">Oh.=A0 Well, in that case, I&#39;ll have to own=
 up to the most egregious characteristic of all.=A0 I have an attitude indi=
cator and a directional gyro that are actually vacuum powered!=A0 No electr=
ic backup!=A0 A single battery bus!=A0 I know this strikes fear in the hear=
ts of insurers, as I received a written notice from Cessna warning me of th=
e danger of my Cessna 150 which was thusly equipped, as was every single Ce=
ssna and Piper ASEL certified and delivered to that date.</div>



<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>


<div style=3D"clear: both;">Colyn, I&#39;m pulling your leg here.=A0 In rea=
l terms, the vacuum system may actually be the most dangerous feature of my=
 airplane in the eyes of the insurers, and yet it has been delivered in hun=
dreds of thousands of single engine airplanes.=A0 So how bad can it be?=A0 =
I know the insurers look at forums like this, but I hope that fear of insur=
ers does not stifle innovation in experimental aviation.=A0 After all, the =
affordable &quot;electronic gyro&quot; display (Dynon D-10), the electronic=
 ignition (Lightspeed, Jeff Rose, maybe others), synthetic vision (Sierra F=
light Systems) were hatched in the experimental market and=A0were probably =
considered highly dangerous by insurers because they deviated from the cert=
ified norm.=A0 However, these products and their progeny are the very produ=
cts that we look to for improving flight safety today.</div>



<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>


<div style=3D"clear: both;">Nevertheless, there are characteristics in most=
 of our airplanes that deviate from the certified norm.=A0 Dangerous?=A0 So=
me might be, some might not be.=A0 I hope we feel comfortable discussing th=
em in this forum and learning from our more knowledgeable brethren where th=
e pitfalls might realy be, so that we can implement safe versions of our in=
novative ideas.</div>



<div style=3D"clear: both;">=A0</div>


<div style=3D"clear: both;">- Rob Wolf (obviously with too much time on my =
hands today...)</div>
</font>
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