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<<Right.  besides it will make interesting reading for the insurance under=
writer......NOT>>


Oh.  Well, in that case, I'll have to own up to the most egregious charact=
eristic of all.  I have an attitude indicator and a directional gyro that=
 are actually vacuum powered!  No electric backup!  A single battery bus!=
  I know this strikes fear in the hearts of insurers, as I received a writ=
ten notice from Cessna warning me of the danger of my Cessna 150 which was=
 thusly equipped, as was every single Cessna and Piper ASEL certified and=
 delivered to that date.

Colyn, I'm pulling your leg here.  In real terms, the vacuum system may ac=
tually be the most dangerous feature of my airplane in the eyes of the ins=
urers, and yet it has been delivered in hundreds of thousands of single en=
gine airplanes.  So how bad can it be?  I know the insurers look at forums=
 like this, but I hope that fear of insurers does not stifle innovation in=
 experimental aviation.  After all, the affordable "electronic gyro" displ=
ay (Dynon D-10), the electronic ignition (Lightspeed, Jeff Rose, maybe oth=
ers), synthetic vision (Sierra Flight Systems) were hatched in the experim=
ental market and were probably considered highly dangerous by insurers bec=
ause they deviated from the certified norm.  However, these products and=
 their progeny are the very products that we look to for improving flight=
 safety today.

Nevertheless, there are characteristics in most of our airplanes that devi=
ate from the certified norm.  Dangerous?  Some might be, some might not be=
.  I hope we feel comfortable discussing them in this forum and learning=
 from our more knowledgeable brethren where the pitfalls might realy be,=
 so that we can implement safe versions of our innovative ideas.

- Rob Wolf (obviously with too much time on my hands today...)

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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>&lt;&lt;<FONT face=3D"Cour=
ier New">Right. &nbsp;besides it will make interesting reading for the ins=
urance underwriter......NOT</FONT>&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">Oh.&nbsp; Well, in that case, I'll have to own=
 up to the most egregious characteristic of all.&nbsp; I have an attitude=
 indicator and a directional gyro that are actually vacuum powered!&nbsp;=
 No electric backup!&nbsp; A single battery bus!&nbsp; I know this strikes=
 fear in the hearts of insurers, as I received a written notice from Cessn=
a warning me of the danger of my Cessna 150 which was thusly equipped, as=
 was every single Cessna and Piper ASEL certified and delivered to that da=
te.</div>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">Colyn, I'm pulling your leg here.&nbsp; In real=
 terms, the vacuum system may actually be the most dangerous feature of my=
 airplane in the eyes of the insurers, and yet it has been delivered in hu=
ndreds of thousands of single engine airplanes.&nbsp; So how bad can it be=
?&nbsp; I know the insurers look at forums like this, but I hope that fear=
 of insurers does not stifle innovation in experimental aviation.&nbsp; Af=
ter all, the affordable "electronic gyro" display (Dynon D-10), the electr=
onic ignition (Lightspeed, Jeff Rose, maybe others), synthetic vision (Sie=
rra Flight Systems) were hatched in the experimental market and&nbsp;were=
 probably considered highly dangerous by insurers because they deviated fr=
om the certified norm.&nbsp; However, these products and their progeny are=
 the very products that we look to for improving flight safety today.</div=
>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">Nevertheless, there are characteristics in most=
 of our airplanes that deviate from the certified norm.&nbsp; Dangerous?&n=
bsp; Some might be, some might not be.&nbsp; I hope we feel comfortable di=
scussing them in this forum and learning from our more knowledgeable breth=
ren where the pitfalls might realy be, so that we can implement safe versi=
ons of our innovative ideas.</div>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"CLEAR: both">- Rob Wolf (obviously with too much time on my=
 hands today...)</div>
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