X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:48:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4457243 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:46:02 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=tthibaultsprint@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bhSQ/ZpoHd+vUZot4ESb8pu6CfMlJVLTuO6VbuTpQWksevucxGrseqpVd99IiL9T; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Osfku-0007tV-SU for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:45:21 -0400 Received: from 199.46.245.237 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 13:45:20 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <17277305.1283795120796.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Original-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:45:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Tom Thibault Reply-To: Tom Thibault X-Original-To: "lml@lancaironline.net" Subject: RE: Dukes fuel pump problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: de8bf13def69c2f69bce407a0563371ed780f4a490ca6956abb457f1b4332f528ec79e012e741e632f947203456a4e14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Russell, Some questions first. Are you saying that the pump did not turn (no noise = at all) or that it would not develop pressure but did make noise? Be sure = the cockpit is quiet and your headset is off your head. You should be able= to hear the pump. When it is pushing fuel it sounds a little labored. Th= at is good. When it is dry, it spins faster. This is bad. If no noise at all, does anyone know if there is a thermal overload circui= t in the Dukes pump? Does it reset itself when cooler? If true, then you = are probably OK, Russell. If no pressure, this just sounds like vapor lock. The high heat evaporates= the fuel at the pump and it can not push the air bubble. Be careful to ru= n it only a few seconds at a time in this condition. The pump can not be r= un dry for long, it overheats and will destroy itself quickly. In general with the vapor lock, you just have to use a good hot start proce= dure. This varies from Lyc to Continental, you did not say what you have. = This works for me in an LNC2 with Lyc IO-360. When heat soaked, more than= 15 minutes: 1. Mixture off. 2. Throttle about 1/4". 3. Engage starter. 4. At first fire, full mixture and Dukes fuel pump as required. The engin= e will be very rough until all the air is purged. Fuel pump off as soon as= the mechanical pump can keep the pressure in the teens or better. If the = engine does not start on that first try, the likelihood of another try righ= t then is very low. You got a burp of running from vaporized fuel down str= eam from the servo, and once it is gone it will be difficult to pump more u= ntil the engine cools off.=20 If you can do a very fast re-fuel or pax swap (shut down for just a couple = minutes), then: 1. Mixture full. 2. Throttle about 1/4". 3. Dukes pump for about 1/4 to 1/3 of the time you would use for a cold st= art. 4. Engage starter. 5. At first fire, full mixture and probably much less with the Dukes pump. Good Luck, Tom Russel wrote: "Yesterday after flying into a field the Dukes of electric fuel pump would = not run at all. I was forced to leave the aircraft at the field because I c= ouldn't get the engine started.=20 The field elevation was 1300 feet and it was close to 90=C2=B0. The density= altitude was about 3000 feet for the day." =20