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The drag bucket moves as the flaps are
repositioned. That's what I'm looking to investigate on the 300
series.
Are you saying that the MkII tail uses a servo tab
for trim ?
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 7:33
PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: flap
coupling
Wolfgang,
The MkII tail uses a servo to drive the trim tab. If installed, the
bob-weight is the only thing contributing to any static force in rear half of
the system. If an autopilot is fighting an out of trim condition that
would add some force-much like the old trim system does.
Outside of that all trim forces for the large tail are self-contained in the
elevator.
Attached are some charts showing the benefits of reflex relative to the
320/360.
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
From: Wolfgang
<Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 12:04:51
PM
Subject: [LML] Re: flap
coupling
The push rod forces are definitely there.
The trim system that keeps those forces from
showing up at the control stick.
. . . . unless you're using servo tabs . . .
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Yes, I want to map the drag bucket for various
flap conditions.
NASA tech paper 1865 shows it's effect. I want to
expand that on the 300 series.
I believe it can add some efficiency points if
utilized.
Wolfgang
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Uh, the push rod forces should be zero when trimmed. If one
cannot reach a trimmed configuration, then force will be required to
reach sustained level flight. One can only wonder about the
position of the trimming device (there are so many different methods)
when one then calculates forces necessary for level flight at
different airspeeds/configurations.
Wolfgang is seeking the "drag bucket" for different flight
regimes. The purpose is unknown. Each configuration change
affects either lift (induced drag) or parasitic drag or both.
Faster = less induced drag, more parasitic drag. Slower = more
induced drag, less parasitic. Parasites are everywhere.
http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles/asfwpp/lelke_airfoilperf.htm clarifies
the "drag bucket" concept. Good (an extra "o" converts God to
good) Is only of concern at cruise configurations. Why?
Because anything else is confounded by other variables - density
altitude, wind, efficiency, etc. The designer defined the cruise
range as the best conditions (altitude, power, etc) where the longeron
was level. Other things can affect drag, engine cooling, laminar
flow because of smooth surfaces, weight (lift-induced drag), wax
(parasitic drag), etc. etc. etc.
Who cares at other speeds less than cruise - we know that max
efficiency can be reached when parasitic drag and induced drag cross at
some minima. Uh, the old max range vs max endurance question.
Frequently, best efficiency occurs at best glide speed (like 107
KIAS in a half loaded 320). So what? Do I care if I can
reach Austin, TX in 8 hours using only 20 gallons or 4.3 hours
using 30 gallons or 4.8 hours at best power requiring a fuel stop
to maintain minimums (43 gal tank). Of course. But I don't
need anything more than ROP/LOP fuel burns and associated TAS -
fortunately for my very slick bird, there is only a loss of 6 or 7
knots for a drop of 2 gph from ROP to LOP at some useful
altitude. So, I get >1 hour more endurance at
LOP and I can see if that 28 NM difference (4 hours) is worth the 1
hour refueling stop. Uh, Austin is a flip of the coin at 820 NM
(wind and weather depending).
Scott Krueger
LNC2 320
In a message dated 8/8/2010 6:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
chris_zavatson@yahoo.com writes:
The MKII tail is a little different. Push rod forces
are zero for all trimmed conditions.
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
From: Wolfgang
<Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To:
lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010
10:06:44 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: flap
coupling
I have taken elevator pushrod force
measurements and was surprised.
Elevator pushrod forces to stick forces
are about 6.5 to 1
The trim system, when dialed in, provides
these forces.
At 190 imph and -7º flaps, there is
a 60lb forward force.
At 80 imph and 10º flaps, there is about
zero force.
At 80 imph and 20º flaps, there is a
slight (-1lb) rearward force.
These numbers are with the horizontal
stabilizer built at -1.2º
- - - plans range is -0.5º to
-1.0º
An input from the flap bellcrank of
about 20-40 lb at -7º would be good,
tapering down to zero lbs at 10º
flaps
A horizontal stabilizer built at -0.5º
would, of course, change these numbers.
Comments ?
Wolfgang
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