Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #55949
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010"
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:52:05 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
thought experiment.
If someone GAVE you the rights to build LIV/LIVP kits what would you have to do to make it a viable business and manage the liability?  Would you stiplulate that only ex-military fighter jocks could buy your kits?   Would you have a clause that said that the airplane had to be ground to scrap if the original buyer stopped flying it?   Would you provide a psycho-analysis to determine if the buyer had a "I paid my $500K, this thing should take me anywhere anytime" kind of attitude?

I'm not sure what I would do as a vendor.   The Evolution seems to address the stall characteristic issue but the fly high into thunderstorms risk seems to still be present in the hands of one so inclined.

I think I would bundle flight training into the kit price and it would include risk management, priority management.    But that wouldn't solve the problem for all pilots.


On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Craig, George, et al,
 
Think of it this way -- One  Evoolution = 12 or 13 320/360s (15 235s) or 240 Yugos.  If ya toss in training and insurance inspections, the Yugos are way ahead - as cluster efficiency goes.
 
LNC2s need more mundane parts (Ace, True Value, Home Depot....) but they are, uh,  less, uh, profitable than the Captain Marvel parts needed by ESes or the Lex Luther parts for the turbines.  IVs are special, but lost in limbo.....betwixt and between.
 
Mighty Mouse
endorsed by Olive Oyl  
 
In a message dated 8/9/2010 6:33:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cgainza@msn.com writes:
George,

I could not agree with you more regarding the Lancair IV-P.  I would also include the ES line.  There are no competitors at the IV-P or ES price point. I would consider improving the both kits and requiring an AOA on the IV-P. 

The  Fadec Continental flight testing is done for the IV-P.  No need to delay state of the art electronics on Lancair aircraft. 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Evolution is a great airplane but at greater than a million, you are competing with certified aircraft capable of commercial operations that do not have to be built.

Craig Gainza
680 hrs Lancair Fadec IV-P




To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:04:51 -0400
From: rosel_george@yahoo.com
Subject: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010"

Hello to all the Lancair gang....

I have a couple of comments to make about this years "little" (Ha!) get together at Oshkosh. What a great event and wonderful turnout considering the soggy conditions earlier in the week. I was there all week and observed the following....

#1.  I watched the entire episode of the Jack Rousch "Beechcraft Premier Jet"  accident. He is very lucky to be alive and in fact very lucky he didn't crash into the crowd. I first noticed him much too tight in the pattern while on left down wind for runway 18R.  At one point while turning from base and overshooting the runway he was headed directly at me and the crowd ... much too low and slow and out of control! This was one of the poorest examples of piloting and judgment that I have ever seen. I was shocked to later hear the name of the pilot/owner and the facts about his prior accidents, etc. This is a classic example of why we as Lancair owners need to continually stay vigilant and focused within our own group through communication and training. Like they say in the New York subway system ... "If you see something.... Say something" . Just because we build these things or have tons of experience, doesn't mean that we should necessarily be flying them. We shouldn't sit back and let these kind of accidents happen, especially within our own group. If someone isn't qualified ... encourage them to get more education and training or fly something more docile. Jeff Edwards and the LOBO group have done a wonderful job at promoting and making available the tools needed to safely fly these wonderful aircraft. They have brought on board more insurance options and our accident rate has dramatically decreased in the last 12 months. Hopefully the insurance companies will also help police the incompetent Lancair pilots and not sell them insurance just to make a buck. These responsibilities fall on all of us as owners and insurers of  Lancairs ! Join LOBO and stay plugged in to the LML !!!

On another topic .....

#2.  Prior to attending Oshkosh "2010", I also attended Sun-n-Fun in April at Lakeland Florida with my 4P-Propjet.  On both occasions I observed a disturbing disassociation from Lancair International with its "4-P" line of aircraft. In fact, at both of their displays a person would have to look twice even to see the Lancair flags/logo over the "Evolution" promotion and advertisement. It appears to me that the sales force of Lancair has forgotten what brought them to the dance! With over six hundred 4-P's in the world you would think that the 4's would be their flagship and showcased extensively ! It's no wonder the 4-P sales are down. Don't get me wrong... the Evolution is a great plane but is in a different class as a 1.2 million dollar finished turbine aircraft. If you agree with me I urge you to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to get the 4-P's back in there promotional and advertising schemes.


Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,

... George

PS... Please note that I am the owner and builder of two 4-P Turbines and one is for sale. You can see it at    www.lancairleasing.com



     
 
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George F. Rosel
2431 Lilac Dr.
Liberal, Ks. 67901
620-624-8849 office
620-624-9409 fax
620-655-8217 cell .. or......

8907 Green Meadows Dr.
Littleton, Co. 80126
303-975-6629 home/fax


The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !!
"Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorado
For info... http://www.vrbo.com/254739


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