X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4424487 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:34:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7A0XPG0013429 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:33:25 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.f14.1d7efad (37660) for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m26.mail.aol.com (magic-m26.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.199]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB072-931c4c609e4c70; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:33:16 -0400 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <3dce2.5e30555.3991f84c@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:33:16 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010" X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3dce2.5e30555.3991f84c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 155 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.199 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_3dce2.5e30555.3991f84c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig, George, et al, Think of it this way -- One Evoolution = 12 or 13 320/360s (15 235s) or 240 Yugos. If ya toss in training and insurance inspections, the Yugos are way ahead - as cluster efficiency goes. LNC2s need more mundane parts (Ace, True Value, Home Depot....) but they are, uh, less, uh, profitable than the Captain Marvel parts needed by ESes or the Lex Luther parts for the turbines. IVs are special, but lost in limbo.....betwixt and between. Mighty Mouse endorsed by Olive Oyl In a message dated 8/9/2010 6:33:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cgainza@msn.com writes: George, I could not agree with you more regarding the Lancair IV-P. I would also include the ES line. There are no competitors at the IV-P or ES price point. I would consider improving the both kits and requiring an AOA on the IV-P. The Fadec Continental flight testing is done for the IV-P. No need to delay state of the art electronics on Lancair aircraft. Don't get me wrong, I think the Evolution is a great airplane but at greater than a million, you are competing with certified aircraft capable of commercial operations that do not have to be built. Craig Gainza 680 hrs Lancair Fadec IV-P ____________________________________ To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:04:51 -0400 From: rosel_george@yahoo.com Subject: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010" Hello to all the Lancair gang.... I have a couple of comments to make about this years "little" (Ha!) get together at Oshkosh. What a great event and wonderful turnout considering the soggy conditions earlier in the week. I was there all week and observed the following.... #1. I watched the entire episode of the Jack Rousch "Beechcraft Premier Jet" accident. He is very lucky to be alive and in fact very lucky he didn't crash into the crowd. I first noticed him much too tight in the pattern while on left down wind for runway 18R. At one point while turning from base and overshooting the runway he was headed directly at me and the crowd ... much too low and slow and out of control! This was one of the poorest examples of piloting and judgment that I have ever seen. I was shocked to later hear the name of the pilot/owner and the facts about his prior accidents, etc. This is a classic example of why we as Lancair owners need to continually stay vigilant and focused within our own group through communication and training. Like they say in the New York subway system ... "If you see something.... Say something" . Just because we build these things or have tons of experience, doesn't mean that we should necessarily be flying them. We shouldn't sit back and let these kind of accidents happen, especially within our own group. If someone isn't qualified ... encourage them to get more education and training or fly something more docile. Jeff Edwards and the LOBO group have done a wonderful job at promoting and making available the tools needed to safely fly these wonderful aircraft. They have brought on board more insurance options and our accident rate has dramatically decreased in the last 12 months. Hopefully the insurance companies will also help police the incompetent Lancair pilots and not sell them insurance just to make a buck. These responsibilities fall on all of us as owners and insurers of Lancairs ! Join LOBO and stay plugged in to the LML !!! On another topic ..... #2. Prior to attending Oshkosh "2010", I also attended Sun-n-Fun in April at Lakeland Florida with my 4P-Propjet. On both occasions I observed a disturbing disassociation from Lancair International with its "4-P" line of aircraft. In fact, at both of their displays a person would have to look twice even to see the Lancair flags/logo over the "Evolution" promotion and advertisement. It appears to me that the sales force of Lancair has forgotten what brought them to the dance! With over six hundred 4-P's in the world you would think that the 4's would be their flagship and showcased extensively ! It's no wonder the 4-P sales are down. Don't get me wrong... the Evolution is a great plane but is in a different class as a 1.2 million dollar finished turbine aircraft. If you agree with me I urge you to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to get the 4-P's back in there promotional and advertising schemes. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, ... George PS... Please note that I am the owner and builder of two 4-P Turbines and one is for sale. You can see it at _www.lancairleasing.com_ (http://www.lancairleasing.com/) George F. Rosel 2431 Lilac Dr. Liberal, Ks. 67901 620-624-8849 office 620-624-9409 fax 620-655-8217 cell .. or...... 8907 Green Meadows Dr. Littleton, Co. 80126 303-975-6629 home/fax The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !! "Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorado For info... _http://www.vrbo.com/254739_ (http://www.vrbo.com/254739) George F. Rosel 2431 Lilac Dr. Liberal, Ks. 67901 620-624-8849 office 620-624-9409 fax 620-655-8217 cell .. or...... 8907 Green Meadows Dr. Littleton, Co. 80126 303-975-6629 home/fax The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !! "Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorado For info... _http://www.vrbo.com/254739_ (http://www.vrbo.com/254739) = --part1_3dce2.5e30555.3991f84c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Craig, George, et al,
 
Think of it this way -- One  Evoolution =3D 12 or 13 320/360s (1= 5 235s)=20 or 240 Yugos.  If ya toss in training and insurance inspections, the= Yugos=20 are way ahead - as cluster efficiency goes.
 
LNC2s need more mundane parts (Ace, True Value, Home Depot....)= but=20 they are, uh,  less, uh, profitable than the Captain Marvel part= s=20 needed by ESes or the Lex Luther parts for the turbines.  IVs are spe= cial,=20 but lost in limbo.....betwixt and between.
 
Mighty Mouse
endorsed by Olive Oyl  
 
In a message dated 8/9/2010 6:33:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 cgainza@msn.com writes:
George,

I could not agree with you mo= re regarding the=20 Lancair IV-P.  I would also include the ES line.  There are=20 no competitors at the IV-P or ES price point. I would consider=20 improving the both kits and requiring an AOA on the IV-P. =20

The  Fadec Continental flight testing is done for the IV-P.=  =20 No need to delay state of the art electronics on Lancair aircraft. = =20

Don't get me wrong, I think the Evolution is a great airplane bu= t at=20 greater than a million, you are competing with certified aircraft capabl= e of=20 commercial operations that do not have to be built.

Craig Gainza<= BR>680=20 hrs Lancair Fadec IV-P



To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:04:51 -0400
Fro= m:=20 rosel_george@yahoo.com
Subject: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun= =20 "2010"

Hello=20 to all the Lancair gang....

I have a couple of comments to make= about=20 this years "little" (Ha!) get together at Oshkosh. What a great event an= d=20 wonderful turnout considering the soggy conditions earlier in the week.= I was=20 there all week and observed the following....

#1.  I watched= the=20 entire episode of the Jack Rousch "Beechcraft Premier Jet"  accident. He is ver= y=20 lucky to be alive and in fact very lucky he didn't crash into the crowd.= I=20 first noticed him much too tight in the pattern while on left down wind= for=20 runway 18R.  At one point while turning from base and overshooting= the=20 runway he was headed directly at me and the crowd ... much too low and= slow=20 and out of control! This was one of the poorest examples of piloting and= =20 judgment that I have ever seen. I was shocked to later hear the name of= the=20 pilot/owner and the facts about his prior accidents, etc. This is a clas= sic=20 example of why we as Lancair owners need to continually stay vigilant an= d=20 focused within our own group through communication and training. Like th= ey say=20 in the New York subway system ... "If you see something.... Say somethin= g" .=20 Just because we build these things or have tons of experience, doesn't= mean=20 that we should necessarily be flying them. We shouldn't sit back and let= these=20 kind of accidents happen, especially within our own group. If someone is= n't=20 qualified ... encourage them to get more education and training or fly= =20 something more docile. Jeff Edwards and the LOBO group have done a wonde= rful=20 job at promoting and making available the tools needed to safely fly the= se=20 wonderful aircraft. They have brought on board more insurance options an= d our=20 accident rate has dramatically decreased in the last 12 months. Hopefull= y the=20 insurance co= mpanies will also=20 help police the incompetent Lancair pilots and not sell them insurance= just to=20 make a buck. These responsibilities fall on all of us as owners and insu= rers=20 of  Lancairs ! Join LOBO and stay plugged in to the LML !!!

= On=20 another topic .....

#2.  Prior to attending Oshkosh "2010",= I also=20 attended Sun-n-Fun in April at Lakeland Florida with my 4P-Propjet.  On both=20 occasions I observed a disturbing disassociation from Lancair Internatio= nal=20 with its "4-P" line of aircraft. In fact, at both of their displays a pe= rson=20 would have to look twice even to see the Lancair flags/logo over the=20 "Evolution" promotion and advertisement. It appears to me that the sales= force=20 of Lancair has forgotten what brought them to the dance! With over six= hundred=20 4-P's in the world you would think that the 4's would be their flagship= and=20 showcased extensively ! It's no wonder the 4-P sales are down. Don't get= me=20 wrong... the Evolution is a great plane but is in a different class as= a 1.2=20 million dollar finished turbine aircraft. If you agree with me I urge yo= u to=20 lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to get the 4-P's back in there=20 promotional and advertising schemes.


Any comments or suggesti= ons=20 would be appreciated.

Regards,

... George

PS.= ..=20 Please note that I am the owner and builder of two 4-P Turbines and one= is for=20 sale. You can see it at    ww= w.lancairleasing.com



 =20    
 
George F. Rosel
2431 Lilac Dr.
Liberal= , Ks.=20 67901
620-624-8849 office
620-624= -9409 fax
620-655-8217 cell ..=20 or......

8907 Green Meadows Dr.
Littleton, Co.=20 80126
303-975-6629 home/fax


The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !!
"Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury ho= me at=20 Copper Mountain=20 Colorado
For info... <= SPAN id=3Decxlw_1281373678_11 class=3Decxyshortcuts>http://www.vrbo.= com/254739=20

 
George F. Rosel
2431 Lilac Dr.
Liberal, Ks.=20 67901
620-624-8849 office
620-624-9409 fax
620-655-8217 cell= ..=20 or......

8907 Green Meadows Dr.
Littleton, Co. 80126
303-975-6629=20 home/fax


The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !!
"Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury ho= me at=20 Copper Mountain Colorado
For info... http= ://www.vrbo.com/254739=20


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