X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:19:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4337405 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:50:00 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o55EnK4k000993 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:49:20 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.df9.9f2beb1 (37590) for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magic-m21.mail.aol.com (magic-m21.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.194]) by cia-mb06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB063-92d64c0a63ea1f2; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:49:14 -0400 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:49:14 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Transfer of ownership X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b1f48.7f4f95df.393bbdea_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 155 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 67.175.242.202 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.194 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_b1f48.7f4f95df.393bbdea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all those that replied that "It's only $300." That part is true and it is relatively insignificant. But consider the cost of the other requirements - A factory authorized inspection (insurance inspection team) and the required use of a Lancair specified instructor/training program. That includes fees, transportation, room and board. A lesser problem if you are on the Eastern seaboard, in Florida or on the West coast. Another requirement is that the transferee sign the resale agreement. As a Lancair incomplete kit or flying aircraft seller, are you going to inform the purchaser of these requirements? I did read the whole "Resale Agreement" and, for the most part it reads like a sales contract designed to protect Lancair related entities from being named in a lawsuit plus other protections. I bought my 320 kit in 1989 and I could not find any sales agreement in my records - It seems there was just an order form with options. Have more recent kit purchasers signed a "sales contract?" I could not find any kit order forms or sales contracts on the Lancair web site. I did buy Legacy kit #2 in 2000 and my records only show a copy of the bill of sale. I did sell the incomplete kit in 2003 - no resale form that I know of existed at that time. I still question the viability of a factory "insurance inspection team" concept for 200-300 series aircraft as these are the most customized and individually unique of all the Lancair group aircraft. Scott Krueger PS - I am pleased that Kit Components still has some parts available for the 300 series aircraft and I certainly support the concept of buying from Lancair related entities as I am sure we all would like to see them remain in existence. In a message dated 6/4/2010 3:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lancair-esp@ustek.com writes: I look at it like the airlines charging for baggage. There is a cost to transport baggage but it had been blended into the average ticket price. Your second bag was not flown free, it was paid for by all the ticket holders who had just one bag. There is a cost involved in Lancair tech service but it has always been blended into the price of the kit. Keep the kit for life and you will not pay another cent for tech service. Buy a partial or completed kit from the builder and get lifetime service from Lancair for $300 bucks. Maybe if Joe were to throw in a Lancair ball cap . . . Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES ____________________________________ From: farnsworth [mailto:farnsworth@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:00 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: [LML] Transfer of ownership I agree with Dan! Lynn Farnsworth Hell Fire it's only $300!!!! If $300 is that bad, you are in the wrong place. For Lancair, $300 in customer service expense does not go very far. The new owner will cost the Company well over that just to get half way up to speed much less the additional liability etc etc. Give Joe a break. Running a business is not cheap. Dan Reagan IVP 750 hours --part1_b1f48.7f4f95df.393bbdea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For all those that replied that "It's only $300."  That part is= true=20 and it is relatively insignificant.
 
But consider the cost of the other requirements - A factory auth= orized=20 inspection (insurance inspection team) and the required use of a Lanc= air=20 specified instructor/training program.  That includes fees, transport= ation,=20 room and board.  A lesser problem if you are on the Eastern= =20 seaboard, in Florida or on the West coast.  Another requirement= is=20 that the transferee sign the resale agreement.
 
As a Lancair incomplete kit or flying aircraft seller, are you= going=20 to inform the purchaser of these requirements? 
 
I did read the whole "Resale Agreement" and, for the most part it rea= ds=20 like a sales contract designed to protect Lancair related entities fr= om=20 being named in a lawsuit plus other protections.
 
I bought my 320 kit in 1989 and I could not find any sales agree= ment=20 in my records - It seems there was just an order form with options.
 
Have more recent kit purchasers signed a "sales contract?" I cou= ld not=20 find any kit order forms or sales contracts on the Lancair web site.
 
I did buy Legacy kit #2 in 2000 and my records only show a copy of th= e bill=20 of sale.  I did sell the incomplete kit in 2003 - no resale form that= I=20 know of existed at that time.
 
I still question the viability of a factory "insurance inspectio= n=20 team" concept for 200-300 series aircraft as these are the most customized= and=20 individually unique of all the Lancair group aircraft. 
 
Scott Krueger
 
PS - I am pleased that Kit Components still has some parts available= for=20 the 300 series aircraft and I certainly support the concept of buying from= =20 Lancair related entities as I am sure we all would like to see them remain= in=20 existence.    
 
In a message dated 6/4/2010 3:38:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 lancair-esp@ustek.com writes:
= I look at it like the airlines chargin= g for=20 baggage.  There is a cost to transport baggage but it had=20 been blended into the average ticket price.  Your second bag= was not=20 flown free, it was paid for by all the ticket holders who had just one= =20 bag.  There is a cost involved in Lancair tech service but it has= always=20 been blended into the price of the kit.  Keep the kit for= life=20 and you will not pay another cent for tech service.  Buy a partial= or=20 completed kit from the builder and get lifetime service from Lancair&nbs= p;for=20 $300 bucks.  Maybe if Joe were to throw in a Lancair ball cap . .= . =20
=  
= Robert M. Simon
= ES-P N301ES
=  

From: farnsworth=20 [mailto:farnsworth@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010= 5:00=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Tran= sfer=20 of ownership

I agree with= =20 Dan!

 

Lynn=20 Farnsworth

 

 

Hell Fire it's only $300!!!! =20 If $300 is that bad, you are in the wrong place. =20

 

For Lancair, $300 in customer=20 service expense does not go very far.  The new owner will cost the= =20 Company well over that just to get half way up to speed much less the=20 additional liability etc etc.

 

Give Joe a break.  Running a=20 business is not cheap.

 

Dan=20 Reagan

IVP 750 =20 hours

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