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From: "Kevin Stallard" <Kevin@arilabs.net>

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Hi Mark,

I hope you are well.

I have never been charged for technical support by Lancair.  I would =
think that the new owner of a Lancair where the fee was duly paid would =
also be able to call and get direction and advice from a qualified =
individual.

I'm just speculating, but I would guess that the previous owner/builder =
may have used up a fair amount of time with a rep/support person during =
the build of his plane.  I think it is reasonable to conclude the new =
owner may have support needs.  Why should Lancair be expected to start =
over with the new guy?  For this small fee of $300, doesn't Lancair then =
treat the new owner as the original purchaser?  I think that is a pretty =
good deal.  They have payroll to meet.  They need to find ways to keep =
talent around.=20

For the development software I use in my business, I pay north of $4,000 =
per year for support.  I think $300 for lifetime ability to call someone =
up over there and get some direction is a pretty good deal. =20

Lastly, there is administrative overhead for tracking all this =
information.  This goes a long ways to help pay for that.  This provides =
Lancair with necessary documentation to defend themselves if the new =
guy/gal screws up. =20

I think it is all very reasonable for Lancair to do this.  Until we get =
a handle on lawsuit abuse as a country and a people, consumers will =
continue to pay for it (that means us).

I think this also gives insurance companies a feeling that Lancair is =
being responsible in helping to reduce risk.  This will continue to keep =
them engaged, we need this. =20

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Sletten [mailto:mwsletten@gmail.com]=20
Sent: June 02, 2010 07:19
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Cc: Kevin Stallard
Subject: RE: Transfer Of Ownership

Kevin,

It's true that Lancair Inc holds liability if a Lancair crashes; it is =
true
its parts department likely benefits its customers as much as it =
benefits
Lancair; it is true we should applaud Lancair Inc's effort to keep =
Lancair
aircraft safe and insurance companies engaged with our small segment of =
the
market.

The questions on my mind are: How is Lancair Inc's liability reduced by =
a
$300 ownership transfer fee? Doesn't Lancair already charge a =
considerable
fee for aircraft inspections? As far as parts, isn't it in Lancair Inc's
interest as regards liability to ensure ALL Lancair owners are using
appropriate parts to maintain their aircraft? Likewise, keeping insurers
engaged benefits Lancair Inc as much as its customers; who will purchase =
a
kit for which insurance is unavailable?

The bottom line is Lancair makes money from parts sales, it makes money =
from
kit sales and it makes money from aircraft inspections, none of which
customers complain about because they get value for their money.

But what value is added for a $300 ownership transfer fee?

In my view, since new owners will pay for everything else anyway, the =
only
value a new owner gains is access to Lancair Inc's technical support. It
seems to me Lancair Inc would seek ways to encourage new owners to
correspond with the factory if it were truly interested in keeping =
builders
and pilots safe, with the ultimate goal of limiting its liability. =
Instead,
it creates an incentive for new owners to avoid the experts at the =
factory.
This seems counterintuitive.

Comparing the relatively small sum to the initial acquisition cost of an
average used Lancair merely camouflages the inconvenient fact that =
Lancair
is providing nothing of value to a new owner for the $300 owner transfer =
fee
it now says is mandatory.


Mark Sletten


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Stallard [mailto:Kevin@arilabs.net]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:56 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Transfer Of Ownership

Folks,

I'm going to give a dissenting opinion on this whole thing.

When a Lancair goes down and people die, Lancair gets hit with lawsuits.
Yes, it is true they aren't considered the manufacturer of these =
airplanes,
but do you think that stops lawyers from going after them?  You know how
informed juries are, considering that there was a case where a woman =
gets a
big payout for spilling coffee on herself.  It would be na=EFve to think =
that
just because the FAA doesn't consider Lancair a manufacturer, doesn't =
mean
that they won't get assigned some blame by some misinformed jury.=20

Secondly, I've done some price comparisons between the parts that =
Lancair
sells and other outfits, there isn't a huge difference.  They certainly
charge more in many cases.  However, considering the volume of planes
Lancair sells, I have a hard time thinking that their parts department =
is a
significant contributor to their bottom line.

I could be wrong, and I don't have an inside view, but it appears as =
though
Lancair has their parts department more as a service than as anything =
that
is really helping the company pay their bills.  It's helpful to go =
somewhere
to get stuff that fits my airplane.  There are some items I just can't =
get
anywhere else.

Considering the cost of our airplanes, the $300 hardly amounts to a hill =
of
beans and I see it as more a formality to help protect Lancair's =
interests.
I don't see it as a problem.  It also gives the insurance companies some
insight into the Lancairs they are insuring.  I look at this as a =
positive
thing that Lancair is doing. =20

Scarcity of insurers will certainly drive up our costs.  I glad they are
doing things to help keep insurance companies engaged.  It helps in the =
long
run.

Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =
Leon
Smith
Sent: June 01, 2010 10:22
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Transfer Of Ownership

Joe B. is making a BIG mistake with this policy.  Rest assured that in =
the
future, I will purchase from Lancair only when absolutely necessary.

Leon S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Bertolina [mailto:artbertolina@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:51 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Transfer Of Ownership

It would seem more important than ever to develop a new source for these
services. Trying to force your customers to deal with you is a desperate
business decision and one bound to fail. We as Lancair owners need to
strengthen LOBO Art
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom McNerney" <dudewanarace@yahoo.com>
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:09 PM
Subject: [LML] Transfer Of Ownership


Rob pointed out in a previous post that Lancair has changed their =
transfer=20
of ownership policy. I thought it would be a good idea to post the =
paragraph

from that form that regards to their "Transfer Policy". Interesting =
read.. I

guess anybody who buys a used Lancair, of any type, has to have the=20
"Insurance inspection team" check said aircraft.

TRANSFER POLICY
L.I.I. requires that all Lancair International Inc. and Neico Aviation =
Inc.=20
aircraft and /or uncompleted kits which are sold, transferred, bartered, =

donated or in anyway given to any other person, corporation or other =
legal=20
entity other than the original purchaser, shall first pay a $300.00 =
transfer

fee to Lancair International Inc. and agree to sign and return to =
Lancair=20
International Inc. this Resale Agreement prior to having said aircraft=20
registered with L.I.I. and prior to the new owner obtaining technical=20
support, access to Kit Components Inc. for parts purchases, access to =
our=20
builder's site on the web or notification of any service bulletins. =
Further,

the new purchaser of a flying Lancair aircraft or an uncompleted kit, =
and=20
prior to the aircraft being transferred, must agree to have either =
flying=20
Lancair aircraft or upon first flight of an uncompleted kit inspected by =
our

insurance inspection team. The new purchaser must
 also agree to participate in any Lancair endorsed training program. =
Only=20
upon receipt of this agreement and payment of the $300.00 transfer fee, =
will

L.I.I. transfer and update files so that service support can be =
continued.

Tom McNerney
www.N54SG.com

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