X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.25] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with SMTP id 4319453 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 May 2010 10:46:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.37.25; envelope-from=kyrilian_av@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38359 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2010 14:45:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hkXYRSBpeeNYPA4B8/Ku665GHRsIXS9vOxNLjVsab8JTNP0I9aFTdbjMavKyAHdc8Z8ItMq1a36kD1X0wQ5Ze1RNnFoxjD+MACjLpClA+/td/W5uHS1DnjlNXZGjr8DRpou55jsQmr60PIaVHwctGkZOaDVIP8stFyvwAlUc3NE=; X-Original-Message-ID: <431147.37370.qm@web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y8DmjmoVM1kcB9yJpyqBT4mgCjPBiyYO0R3csNODS_1Teh. .WLXjbiDBELKB26ZZwwuovG896nwa3BVbc4gUNTLQEy4UQ2irBilbrx8KqGS vna0B27.nhH9Tvz8lWp2d0QewlvULS80cTpaBsHth_F5_Kjkh_Y5eE769ni2 qksC79EKywMK_rz8TezdrpGwgCk2Nbvu0WMqOc8d86GE9HO7Ncldu.k04lOH e_FexdTnsKcK0QubhkLTbK1izauqAQX16W42Ay45KFtHQfI5TVjuvIwUMl8A FiHwzpwOrbsS.BJ6g41l9kD6QW81Sd3CQTNOdzvqvTDnTJcn8B5NxfquPHEe gLxDKrO3Wo..G6B8W Received: from [166.137.11.47] by web53704.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 07:45:31 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.103.269680 X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kyrilian Dyer Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Rudder Pedal Springs X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1542824648-1274280331=:37370" --0-1542824648-1274280331=:37370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul, It certainly was nice chatting with you. I'm not sure it's related to your slack cables, but I've noticed that one pedal on each of my assemblies binds. It seems that the dimensions are a bit too tight and there is some assymetry about the axis of rotation. I believe this can be remedied by pulling the cotter pin on that side and machining the face of the short tube so that it's smoother and provides more clearance. Your symptoms are probably more due to cable friction in the tubes that run through the side wall though. Your comment about the centering mechanism is well taken. However, I thought that an over serviced strut would cause it to center. I'm curious why a low strut would result in this behavior. Is there a cutaway or detailed description of the strut someplace? Perhaps I don't understand it properly. Cheers, - Kyrilian On May 17, 2010, at 8:09 AM, paul miller wrote: Kyrilian, nice to see you again at Sun n fun. I wanted to tell you about a related issue I noticed in my Legacy. I thought at times the rudder (on the ground) was really stiff, at times I could not turn but sometimes it was easy to turn. I found out later the nose strut was slightly low and locked into the center position with weight on wheels. Tonight, after your note, I looked at the cables and they get slack if I move them with the peddles. That doesn't seem right and removing springs might make that condition worse. I should go back into the archives to see for myself. good luck. Paul Miller L2K-186 On 2010-05-15, at 6:49 PM, Kyrilian Dyer wrote: There have been countless discussions in the past regarding Legacy rudder stiffness, most dealing with how to reduce friction between the cable and and tube. As I put my adjustable pedals together I wonder if the included springs may also contribute to excess stiffness. They seem stiffer than necessary. Has anyone come up with an alternative to the included springs? I think someone mentioned removing the springs altogether, but I'm concerned that this will allow them to flop aft, especially on the copilot side. Any ideas? Anyone find a source for weaker springs? Thanks, - Kyrilian L2K-236 --0-1542824648-1274280331=:37370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Paul,

It certainly was nice chatting with you.  I'm not sure it's related to your slack cables, but I've noticed that one pedal on each of my assemblies binds.  It seems that the dimensions are a bit too tight and there is some assymetry about the axis of rotation.  I believe this can be remedied by pulling the cotter pin on that side and machining the face of the short tube so that it's smoother and provides more clearance.  Your symptoms are probably more due to cable friction in the tubes that run through the side wall though.

Your comment about the centering mechanism is well taken.     However, I thought that an over serviced strut would cause it to center.  I'm curious why a low strut would result in this behavior.  Is there a cutaway or detailed description of the strut someplace?  Perhaps I don't understand it properly.

 Cheers,
- Kyrilian


On May 17, 2010, at 8:09 AM, paul miller <paul@tbm700.com> wrote:

Kyrilian, nice to see you again at Sun n fun.  I wanted to tell you about a related issue I noticed in my Legacy.  I thought at times the rudder (on the ground) was really stiff, at times I could not turn but sometimes it was easy to turn.  I found out later the nose strut was slightly low and locked into the center position with weight on wheels.  Tonight, after your note, I looked at the cables and they get slack if I move them with the peddles.  That doesn't seem right and removing springs might make that condition worse.   I should go back into the archives to see for myself.  good luck.

Paul Miller
L2K-186

On 2010-05-15, at 6:49 PM, Kyrilian Dyer wrote:

There have been countless discussions in the past regarding Legacy rudder stiffness, most dealing with how to reduce friction between the cable and and tube.  As I put my adjustable pedals together I wonder if the included springs may also contribute to excess stiffness.  They seem stiffer than necessary.

Has anyone come up with an alternative to the included springs?  I think someone mentioned removing the springs altogether, but I'm concerned that this will allow them to flop aft, especially on the copilot side.  Any ideas?  Anyone find a source for weaker springs?

 Thanks,
- Kyrilian
  L2K-236



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