Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #54858
From: Robert Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] AC drain line 4P
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:25:45 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Ralf,

 

Interesting observations/questions… I went through the same questions/thought processes. I used a larger reservoir for the water collector…an old peanut butter jar to be exact. You’ll collect water in the a/c evaporator at low altitudes/on the ground, but little, if any above 15,000’…the air is relatively dry and cool up there, so the capacity needs to account for ground and expected low-altitude ops. My PB jar fills up in about half an hour in damp ops at low altitude.  Like you, I found that a nylon fitting, used as a seal, allowed a small amount of leakage…water or air. The air leak has not bothered the pressurization system, and it helps keep the reservoir empty. Give this a try.

 

You can get some surface tension blockage with a 1/4” line. Two considerations. The cabin pressure is normally higher than ambient/outside, so you’ll normally have just a small amount of air flow through the drain line, helping the water flow. Also, a drop of liquid soap in the evaporator collection tray breaks the surface tension and allows the water to flow freely. (It also cleans the line… J ).

 

Last point: During normal operation, the pressurized cabin puts a pretty good “seating” load on the float ball. Mine is smaller than Jeff’s; probably about the same size as yours (?...hard to tell from the picture). This is fine, as the reservoir holds the collected water until you land/depressurize. I found, however, that the float ball would sometimes stick and not drain the water after the cabin was de-pressurized. A sharp tap or puff on the drain line exit causes it to open and drain as intended.

 

I  installed my condensation collector/valve assembly in the back of the cabin pressure controller cavity…in the rear seat bottom… and drained it through a short piece of hose through the bottom of the fuselage. I would not just dump the water in the lower fuselage…there is more than you’d think, and the water will cause corrosion and other problems over time…

 

My two cents…


Bob P

 

Dear Subscribers,

 

My AC condenser in the cabin has a port (straight tube approx 3/8” diameter) for water that condenses around the cold unit.

 

I want to get this water outside my pressured cabin. During the LOBO maintenance workshop last year I took a picture of Jeff’s old plane of how he solved the problem (picture 274).

 

With parts that I found from MCMASTER CARR (best source ever for most of the parts with industrial quality you need to build anything) I created the assembly that you can see on picture 212. I have doubts about my dimensions now. My tube is 7/8” inside diameter. The ball is 0.787” diameter. The ball can make about 3” stroke inside. The fittings are the one used for the static port line (1/4” outside diameter line). When I use a nylon nut on the inside of the tube to secure the fitting I still hear a little air escaping when blowing in. When I use an aluminum nut the ball seals the unit completely.

 

I got concerns now that

- my reservoir 7/8” diameter x 3” lengths is not enough for the amount of water produced by the AC condenser

- the ¼” outside diameter of the nylon is not big enough to let the water run down freely inside the line (it might get stuck like in a drinking straw????)

- that when the unit seals up completely (with the aluminum nut) the water will not get to my reservoir when using the ¼” outside diameter nylon tubing

 

Any ideas would be appreciated

 

Thanks

 

Ralf

 

 

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