Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:18:55 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([206.170.7.20]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FUB00LGKZ3ZVJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:21:17 -0700 From: fmoreno4@postoffice.pacbell.net Subject: Still More on Engines To: Lancair List Reply-to: fmoreno4@pacbell.net Message-id: <39190DED.B7815ABB@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm pleased to see that adding Avgas to the coals generated the desired heat and light and stimulated more commentary. Many excellent issues were raised. Let me comment to the best of my ability. Bill Gradwhol raised the following issues: Theorizing a new design? Nope, not me. Maybe if I were to start Airplaneengine.com and do an IPO and raise LOTS of money. Fortunately we have entrepreneurs who continue to pursue the dream and put their money where their mouths are. We should all have such conviction. I hope they all succeed. We need more choices. PRSU (prop speed reduction units) - conspicuous by their absence. How right you are. Virtually any V-8 implementation today will require one since the V-8 of comparable power output will have smaller bore and stroke than the flat 6 and thus operate at higher RPM which would be inconsistent with propeller tip speed limitations. Bill also notes that a gearbox is required to get the prop up where you need it for ground clearance. Note that successful liquid cooled engines of W.W.II (Rolls-Royce and Allisons in particular) all used speed reduction units. In my mind the design and execution of the PRSU is the key challenge to applying V-8 configurations to aircraft. The issues of torsional natural frequencies, gear profiles and loading, damping, bearings, cooling, lubrication etc. are important and must draw upon good engineering analysis, practice, and past experience. Don't leave home without it. Weight is an inescapable cost for the gear box. But it is clear that durable, reliable designs are well within the state of the art. Key features for successful gearboxes must include smoothest possible power impulses, preferably with no torque reversals (which means more cylinders are better, and even firing patterns are better), and selection of torsional stiffness of the system components to assure that no natural frequencies are near expected excitation frequencies (such as firing strokes per revolution, or multiples thereof). Decoupling of the crankshaft from the gearbox with low stiffness shafting or couplings can eliminate most of the cyclic forces applied by pistons to the crankshaft resulting in loads applied to the prop that are of near turbine-like smoothness. That's plus one for the prop since we can avid exciting it's natural frequencies. But it takes good analysis supported by good testing to get the desired results. That's minus one for development cost (bring money). The principles were well known in W.W.II, but with computers we can now do a lot more inexpensive computer analysis and a lot less expensive cut and try which was a primary development tool in the past. While on this topic I must express my amazement at the French diesel undergoing certification. This is a four cylinder flat four. Four cylinder engines generate large force reversals twice each revolution as pistons rise during compression since there is no offsetting power stroke. With diesels the torque reversals are even larger. These torque reversals make it very tough on metal props which have much lower damping than wood, and so can be made to flap and fail if not properly matched to the engine. (That is why metal props are illegal in Formula 1 aircraft using 0-200 Continental turning high RPM.) Now add a speed reduction gearbox (required on the higher horsepower versions) and you would seem to have major torque reversals occurring through the gearbox which I think would make the gear teeth, bearings, and such quite unhappy. There must be a special French solution to this seemingly difficult problem. Or maybe they have a big flywheel on the crankshaft, and an isolation coupling between engine and gearbox It's a puzzlement. Belt drives are simple and perhaps adequate for lower horsepower applications, but the discussion about torque reversals still apply, and such reversals will eat belts if care is not taken. Hooking a big, toothed belt to the front of a crankshaft with nothing in between strikes me as unwise. Ditto for chains. Show me the data. I think the issue of gearbox size and location is much less an issue. For minimum drag, the ideal radiator has large frontal area but is thin in the air flow direction to minimize pressure drop. Don't think of radiator positioning like you would in a car. The nose is NOT precisely the place to put an aircraft radiator. Large radiator frontal area requirements (think nominally 1 square inch per horsepower more or less) lead to inclined radiators much as we now see in Formula 1 and Indy cars. (I carefully inspected an Infinity-engined Indy car recently, and the radiators were about 15 degrees from horizontal). If the cooling air stream is slowed in a properly designed diffuser, the turn to enter the radiator has nearly negligible pressure loss because the velocity is low. Thus one can incline the radiator to nearly horizontal and put it under the engine (I saw an RV with a Mazda using this configuration), or incline vertical radiators on either side of the engine (Engineair), or incline somewhere in the fuselage, or incline in a belly scoop. This last option (used in the Eagle 540, 500 HP V-8) adds some additional frontal area, but is necessary if there is no other space to be had. Here again one needs to use ample doses of engineering analysis, experience, and a lot of testing. V-6 applications: To get even firing patterns one needs to make the V-6 either a 60 degree V (which makes it very narrow between the heads) or 120 degrees which will be nearly as wide as a 180 degree engine (flat opposed). There are some secondary balance issues that make them less desirable than V-8's but these can be managed or just tolerated. And volumetric efficiency improves as cylinders get smaller (scale effect; surface area to volume) so I guess you might as well make it an eight. Remember the Olds F-85 used a 215 cubic inch V-8 years ago still used today in the Range Rover. Some are even flying. And I am told they are very compact. I know that small block 327 Chevrolet in my ancient Corvette (predecessor to 350 and 400 inch versions later on) is quite small compared to my Lycoming 540. Jim Rahm's 420 horsepower Engineair V-8 uses virtually no GM parts, but being based on the small block Chevy layout leads to a similarly compact package. By extending the cowl forward about 2 inches, they were able to get the radiators, tanks, and all the engine hardware (but not the battery) inside the cowl. Diesel Engines: In my opinion, the long term future of general aviation depends on successful jet-fuel-burning diesels. Leaded Avgas is an endangered species. I have already expressed my amazement at the French geared four stroke opposed four cylinder engine. There are also a number of novel designs out there. I tend to favor two stroke designs because of the potential for smooth operation and light weight, but as with all things engine associated, it is complicated and expensive to come up with something truly worthwhile. I have written about the Zoche air cooled radial two stroke eight cylinder engine. Stu Seffern asked about liquid cooled diesels. Air cooling would seem to make sense for diesels since exhaust temperatures are MUCH lower with diesels than with gas engines thus (hopefully) eliminating hot end distress. But there are questions about lubrication and localized heating above the exhaust port, the extreme light weight, and most importantly, the development program that never ends. I hope we all live long enough to see Zoche manufacture production quantities of certified engines. As for other diesel programs, I wish them all well - we need them. The problem is that there is simply too small a market for any new engine, gas, diesel, hydrogen, fairy dust, or whatever, to justify the huge amounts of money required for a certified power plant. Marshall Michaelian rose to the bait :-), and is correct in his observation that IF you have perfect mixture distribution between cylinders, THEN you can successfully lean beyond peak, increase manifold pressure, and achieve lower exhaust temperatures, cylinder head temperatures, and improved specific fuel consumption. This was the basis of the original Malibu engine (Continental TSIO 520-BE, 310 horsepower) that was the predecessor to the TSIO 550. The Malibu engine used cross flow heads (intake manifold on top, exhaust manifold on bottom) and made a valiant attempt to get equal flow distribution to each cylinder with a serpentine intake manifold subsequently carried over to the 550 we have today. Make no mistake, these were big steps forward, but the 520-BE lost out to the larger, thirstier Lycoming in the Mirage for political as much as technical reasons. But the intake manifold design and fuel injection systems, while far better than earlier designs, still fall far short of what has been achieved in the automotive world where emissions control and fuel economy challenges have been addressed with billions of dollars. Marshall is right: if you spend the time and effort, design or use good intake manifolds with good air distribution, and if you also take advantage of electronic fuel injection at the intake ports, you can get MUCH better mixture control, and thus take advantage of lean operation, richening only if necessary for maximum possible power. Remember, I said my Skylane was carburated (boo!!!). I had 6 cylinder CHT/EGT instrumentation, and the EGT exhaust spreads were always large. Poor mixture distribution is the norm, not the exception in aircraft, alas. Most fuel injected aircraft engines are not much better. So, as with all things associated with airplanes, we have to make tradeoffs. I still assert that if you burn gasoline, then even with the complications of gearboxes and cooling systems, the liquid cooled V-8 is the preferred configuration for making lots of horsepower at high power settings at high altitudes. It can provide lower fuel burn per horsepower, lower engine repair costs (due to lower temperatures and better controlled clearances and thus lower wear), and with care, lower drag. More speed for less money. What's not to like? Let the controversy continue...... Your humble reporter, Fred Moreno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>