Return-Path: Received: from sphmgaaf.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.155]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:44:40 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id CAA19655 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Tue, 9 May 2000 02:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:47:00 -0400 From: Marshall Michaelian <73663.457@compuserve.com> Subject: More on Engines Sender: Marshall Michaelian <73663.457@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <200005090250_MC2-A44E-619E@compuserve.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Okay Fred, I'll bite the bait. You write: << I flew leaned to peak in cruise at maximum cruise typically at 11-12,000 feet with EGT's around 1450F, and head temperatures of 400F. At 800 hours I had to overhaul three cylinders due to burned exhaust valves> Much data on this subject has recently been developed by George Braly at GAMI in Ada, Ok. To summarize, up until recently (with GAMI's) no one could properly fly at peak or lean of peak, because we were using poor single point temp probes and when we flew at peak some cyl were already lean of peak and others were still on the rich side. If we leaned even more, then things started shaking because of the greater discrepency between those cylinders LOP and those ROP. Consequently we could only fly ROP, otherwise temperatures would be too high and you'd end of burning valves, as you did. Today with accurate (+/- 1 deg) 6 point engine monitors and with GAMI injectors we can experience LOP operation in which the EGT are 75 to 100 deg LOP and the CHT are cooler than when operating 100F ROP. This means that valves see the same lower temperatures as operating ROP (100deg ROP or 100deg LOP = same temp), and more importantly, cylinder heads operate at much lower temperatures. Needless to say, fuel flow is also significantly reduced. The only negative when operating at those levels LOP is the speed goes to hell. So, in a turbocharged plane, you increase the MP up to the level required to get back to the same airspeed as when operating 100deg ROP. Now for the magic. When you do this, you'll find fuel flow of course increases as you increase MP, but for the same airspeed, the fuel flow at 100deg LOP is still less than the fuel flow 100deg ROP at the same airspeed. Experienced GAMI drivers use wide open throttle (WOT), LOP, as standard operating procedure (SOP), and use the red knob to determine how fast they want to fly, within the constraints of 1600deg max EGT on any exhaust probe, and 380 to 400 deg max on any CHT. And therein lies the problem for Cont/Lyc engines in LIV's at high altitude. It is difficult to fly at 25,000 ft 75% power even running 100deg LOP (with the cooler CHT's) and still remain under the 380 to 400 deg max CHT. If we could do that, then the aircooled engines would live to their TBO. But that will not happen with or without balanced injectors. Liquid cooling comes at a price, but the upside potential (speed and long engine life) is there. Ok, now I've got to get back to work installing the radiator in the underbelly nacelle so that someday soon I can enjoy the benefits of liquid cooling. Marshall Michaelian (SQL, 80% LIV-P, Eagle 540V8) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>