X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.14.108] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with SMTP id 4127896 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:29:37 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.195.14.108; envelope-from=rjones2000@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 90153 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2010 09:29:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=VNAzCbZS5NGCwcFJWToHtkLnpoF2VIGM1twIm+0tV+QSV732O1X0cPFM0vHxvqGG6Kz3rW0pv10x3UGXNbRV9P8Gq0+wWZkOavvBUNyTVxNgBqY7X/VjjAv7t13KdYlHLUVF3vcTTnaHkW33LsR+Ehjr/NRtZkGM949Z2DfYID4= ; Received: from host130.061122036128.dcmit.jp (rjones2000@61.122.36.130 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2010 01:29:00 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: qom3qKeswBCS7l.XERKRbiNwk_aq93o2mA-- X-YMail-OSG: UM7HIc4VM1lihLa4Xx6T8uPZDaWqAs9v1WCRvwV3VOA9tuXhweB1knhB5pjSCSfOWwG8IFvy9xhVVFznTLmJswjHtFTE.aAfmrOOezqj9akkoGJYOKV669niSzM2M7.FkWa4maGUM2SI6HQj3nDLAaZ0RLl8zg5P_CB2c_8MfY8hE8k1AvkNLdPWuw60eiKmb17zfB06IYUbA7UB9D.fpAZxng_ZTegaiEdtlTqpZFnTNxkaq8nFWnh0Y3R17QyoRtdAu0T4DmJH.61YUb0fKpC.MNvRxOfy2un8cSni3SGKSmmEmYh_3PEQGRY0VUiq20W1hzLBUViPhWmVOo_9YhZW053skUCL1g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Ron Jones" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:28:54 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <00af01caafb3$a18e3a20$e4aaae60$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CAAF70.936AFA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqvcmucsEal4If7TyC0TAejWL/fuAAQEbAw Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CAAF70.936AFA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stan, Since you have now decided to go with right side pedals, I think you are making great choice with the Starflight rudder pedals. Not only are they MUCH easier to adjust, you can install without the raised floorboards. This improves the leg room/space dramatically. I am totally happy with my Starflight pedals. As far as I am concerned, they "complete" the Legacy design. With the standard pedals, I had limited space to move my legs and was somewhat cramped on longer flights. Now, I can cross my legs and move them all around. Since I can put my feet totally beneath the pedals, I can stretch out all the way to the firewall. Very, very comfortable. Just perfect for a two or three hour flight, and highly recommended. Ron Jones Legacy Innovations www.legacy-innovations.com From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Stan Fields Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:42 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals Thanks to all who weighed in on the need for co-pilot rudder pedals. The consensus seems to be that for instruction, insurance or for the occasional right seat driver that dual controls should be installed. So I decided to go with the Starflight rudder pedals because they are somewhat larger and more adjustable. I like the idea of removing the springs to minimize the pedal force. And I also plan to make the co-pilot control stick removable. Stan Fields LEG #201 Austin, Texas www.lancairlegacybuilder.com From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill N5ZQ Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:26 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals Stan, We didn't put right side rudders in our 320 and have not regretted that decision. When it's Sue's leg, she's in the left seat. When it's mine, I'm in the left seat. If right side pilot wants to fly.no problem as long as it's not a takeoff or landing. As has been mentioned cruise rudder use in minimal in these airplanes. Having said that, I would remind you that if your insurance company requires any "dual instruction" you may not be able to use your own airplane for it. The FAR's require "fully functioning dual controls" in order for a CFI to provide instruction. I know that this requirement is sometimes ignored but if the feds ever got involved (accident investigation, etc) you, and/or your instructor, might find yourself having an unwanted conversation with an Administrative Law Judge. Just something else to consider. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,750 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction I'm building a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder controls. At 6'3" I need as much knee and leg room as possible without resting my feet on the exhaust manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging rudder pedals. My question to the group is this: Should I get both pilot and co-pilot rudder pedals? - Will I need the co-pilot controls for training? - Many have said they would not let anyone make a right seat landing in their Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the plane regardless. - Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy materially lower than one with dual controls? - I am installing an air conditioner evaporator/blower behind the panel and could possibly use the space. - Are there any other considerations? Stan http://www.lancairlegacybuilder.com ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CAAF70.936AFA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Stan,

 

Since you have now = decided to go with right side pedals, I think you are making great choice with the = Starflight rudder pedals. Not only are they MUCH easier to adjust, you can install = without the raised floorboards. This improves the leg room/space dramatically. I = am totally happy with my Starflight pedals. As far as I am concerned, they = “complete” the Legacy design. With the standard pedals, I had limited space to move = my legs and was somewhat cramped on longer flights. Now, I can cross my = legs and move them all around. Since I can put my feet totally beneath the = pedals, I can stretch out all the way to the firewall. Very, very comfortable. Just = perfect for a two or three hour flight, and highly = recommended.

 

Ron = Jones

Legacy = Innovations

www.legacy-innovations.com=

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Stan Fields
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:42 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder = Pedals

 

Thanks to all who = weighed in on the need for co-pilot rudder pedals.  The consensus seems to be = that for instruction, insurance or for the occasional right seat driver that dual controls should be installed. So I decided to go with the Starflight = rudder pedals because they are somewhat larger and more adjustable. I like the = idea of removing the springs to minimize the pedal force.  And I also plan = to make the co-pilot control stick removable.

 

Stan = Fields

LEG = #201

Austin, = Texas

www.lancairlegacybuilder.com=

 

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill N5ZQ
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:26 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder = Pedals

 

Stan,

 

We didn’t put right side rudders in our 320 and have = not regretted that decision. When it’s Sue’s leg, she’s in = the left seat. When it’s mine, I’m in the left seat. If right = side pilot wants to fly…no problem as long as it’s not a takeoff = or landing. As has been mentioned cruise rudder use in minimal in these = airplanes.

 

Having said that, I would remind you that if your insurance = company requires any “dual instruction” you may not be able to use = your own airplane for it. The FAR’s require “fully functioning dual controls” in order for a CFI to provide  instruction. I know = that this requirement is sometimes ignored but if the feds ever got involved (accident investigation, etc) you, and/or your instructor, might find = yourself having an unwanted conversation with an Administrative Law Judge. Just something else to consider.

 

Bill Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 1,750 hrs

N6ZQ  IV under construction

 

 

 

 

I'm building a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder = controls. At 6'3" I need as much knee and leg room as possible without = resting my feet on the exhaust manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging = rudder pedals. My question to the group is this:

Should I get both pilot and co-pilot rudder pedals?

- Will I need the co-pilot controls for training?

- Many have said they would not let anyone make a right seat landing in = their Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the plane = regardless.

- Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy materially lower than one = with dual controls?

- I am installing an air conditioner evaporator/blower behind the panel = and could possibly use the space.

- Are there any other considerations?

Stan
http://www.lancairlegacybuil= der.com

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