X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:38:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO ustek.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4127964 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:04:55 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=r.simon@ustek.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAAFC9.AF96B0FA" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:06:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals Thread-Index: Acqvya6QJAIMwWkhQqGWsnLP5UW2eA== References: From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Stan Fields" , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAAFC9.AF96B0FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When building my GlaStar I omitted the right side rudders thinking it was safer than having toe brakes within reach of an inexperienced passenger, and that also left more foot room. However when planning to sell the plane I realized instruction safty of the buyer would be compromised and so had to install and re-plumb the lines. Today I would most definately install both sides. =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES ________________________________ From: Stan Fields [mailto:sdfields@austin.rr.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:42 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals Thanks to all who weighed in on the need for co-pilot rudder pedals. The consensus seems to be that for instruction, insurance or for the occasional right seat driver that dual controls should be installed. So I decided to go with the Starflight rudder pedals because they are somewhat larger and more adjustable. I like the idea of removing the springs to minimize the pedal force. And I also plan to make the co-pilot control stick removable.=20 =20 Stan Fields LEG #201 Austin, Texas www.lancairlegacybuilder.com =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill N5ZQ Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:26 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals =20 Stan, =20 We didn't put right side rudders in our 320 and have not regretted that decision. When it's Sue's leg, she's in the left seat. When it's mine, I'm in the left seat. If right side pilot wants to fly...no problem as long as it's not a takeoff or landing. As has been mentioned cruise rudder use in minimal in these airplanes.=20 =20 Having said that, I would remind you that if your insurance company requires any "dual instruction" you may not be able to use your own airplane for it. The FAR's require "fully functioning dual controls" in order for a CFI to provide instruction. I know that this requirement is sometimes ignored but if the feds ever got involved (accident investigation, etc) you, and/or your instructor, might find yourself having an unwanted conversation with an Administrative Law Judge. Just something else to consider. =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,750 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction =20 =20 =20 =20 I'm building a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder controls. At 6'3" I need as much knee and leg room as possible without resting my feet on the exhaust manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging rudder pedals. My question to the group is this: Should I get both pilot and co-pilot rudder pedals?=20 - Will I need the co-pilot controls for training? - Many have said they would not let anyone make a right seat landing in their Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the plane regardless. - Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy materially lower than one with dual controls?=20 - I am installing an air conditioner evaporator/blower behind the panel and could possibly use the space. - Are there any other considerations? Stan http://www.lancairlegacybuilder.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAAFC9.AF96B0FA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When building my GlaStar I omitted the right = side=20 rudders thinking it was safer than having toe brakes within reach of an=20 inexperienced passenger, and that also left more foot room.  = However=20 when planning to sell the plane I realized instruction safty of the = buyer=20 would be compromised and so had to install and re-plumb the lines.  = Today I=20 would most definately install both sides.
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P N301ES

From: Stan Fields=20 [mailto:sdfields@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, = 2010 8:42=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: = Do I=20 need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals

Thanks to all who = weighed in on=20 the need for co-pilot rudder pedals.  The consensus seems to be = that for=20 instruction, insurance or for the occasional right seat driver that dual = controls should be installed. So I decided to go with the Starflight = rudder=20 pedals because they are somewhat larger and more adjustable. I like the = idea of=20 removing the springs to minimize the pedal force.  And I also plan = to make=20 the co-pilot control stick removable.

 

Stan=20 Fields

LEG = #201

Austin,=20 Texas

www.lancairlegacybuilder.com=

 

 

From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill=20 N5ZQ
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:26 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Do I need Co-pilot = Rudder=20 Pedals

 

Stan,

 

We=20 didn’t put right side rudders in our 320 and have not regretted = that decision.=20 When it’s Sue’s leg, she’s in the left seat. When = it’s mine, I’m in the left=20 seat. If right side pilot wants to fly…no problem as long as = it’s not a takeoff=20 or landing. As has been mentioned cruise rudder use in minimal in these=20 airplanes.

 

Having=20 said that, I would remind you that if your insurance company requires = any “dual=20 instruction” you may not be able to use your own airplane for it. = The FAR’s=20 require “fully functioning dual controls” in order for a CFI = to provide =20 instruction. I know that this requirement is sometimes ignored but if = the feds=20 ever got involved (accident investigation, etc) you, and/or your = instructor,=20 might find yourself having an unwanted conversation with an = Administrative Law=20 Judge. Just something else to consider.

 

Bill=20 Harrelson

N5ZQ 320=20 1,750 hrs

N6ZQ =20 IV under construction

 

 

 

 

I'm building a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder = controls.=20 At 6'3" I need as much knee and leg room as possible without resting my = feet on=20 the exhaust manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging rudder = pedals.=20 My question to the group is this:

Should I get both pilot and = co-pilot=20 rudder pedals?

- Will I need the co-pilot controls for=20 training?

- Many have said they would not let anyone make a right = seat=20 landing in their Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the = plane=20 regardless.

- Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy = materially=20 lower than one with dual controls?

- I am installing an air = conditioner=20 evaporator/blower behind the panel and could possibly use the = space.

-=20 Are there any other considerations?

Stan
http://www.lancairlegacybuil= der.com

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