X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from n13.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([74.6.228.93] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with SMTP id 4126048 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:27:58 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.228.93; envelope-from=mattreeves@yahoo.com Received: from [74.6.228.95] by n13.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2010 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.169] by t2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2010 22:27:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2010 22:27:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 433330.85975.bm@omp110.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86322 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2010 22:27:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rUmxIx0lMPwqxDHcXGHPpXo1w53MRplW/LaSASqzmKyXsnkYWzvwfbBP1vfAVMKR+vvOMSsXjdbW6F4VrTBEfh9SOGLTht97ZyAkwSTIWZMzjLo8MQxNwpt6D7WihkGdZn176qMfDuInMB8wKORCbt/xDKXPKat/Xf6wdCyadhI=; X-Original-Message-ID: <299822.86023.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8pGzuOoVM1nrntwSJMtq5AbJ8Ni3nHsAS0ca_3k6Joa3w.ScP3WJssULI24YGDtzeVnKIFe7aGhIRQcLcruV9XIseTjtcQItB0YqTsRoAi3ihKxRUPz90fRrDGYGO5t2jVgO.SfgkuT_uV0AVfM3eX8uWfdp9243g3OwgALaOBLjY.bwXR1jXeCjjJJN1sAcNb.wi7FUBFglPn53QuAzjYZZ.W6.2lfjggJIsG5uJmE6IICbjBZx0GHR1LHEOUVZ5Ny8.E86RAXhtoGFhHJ8Y4X1VV3P7J2NKad_EpnmOeSz.u82l.F_rTYjsqx9yo0OJIRBOsZ9OtOdC9x4o5Fem1BV9XaMRvY- Received: from [173.86.195.248] by web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:27:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 X-Original-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:27:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: [LML] Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-755431314-1266272842=:86023" --0-755431314-1266272842=:86023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have adjustables on both sides and would never do it again on the passeng= er side.=A0 Never used them.=A0 Also, it's much harder to push the rudder p= edals when both sides are installed because you are working against 4 sprin= gs instead of 2. =A0 This is in my 320.=A0 Really, how much "training" are you going to do in yo= ur Legacy?=A0 I think you might be better off letting your passengers train= better in a Cessna or Piper.=A0 As Lance always used to say, "you just don= 't use the rudder in the air."=A0=A0 He was right. =A0 I never use it except on takeoff and climb out.=A0 That's it.=A0=A0=A0 Exce= pt I do use the toe brakes to steer on the ground.=A0=A0 I guess this would= be a place to have dual rudders but even then, it's not that hard to pract= ice taxiing on the ground if someone is going to switch to the left side.= =20 =A0 My vote :=A0 NO =A0 You can always add them later if it's really something that bothers you..= =A0 Save the weight. =A0 Matt --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Stan Fields wrote: From: Stan Fields Subject: [LML] Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:30 PM I'm building a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder controls. At 6'= 3" I need as much knee and leg room as possible without resting my feet on = the exhaust manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging rudder peda= ls. My question to the group is this: Should I get both pilot and co-pilot rudder pedals?=20 - Will I need the co-pilot controls for training? - Many have said they would not let anyone make a right seat landing in the= ir Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the plane regardless. - Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy materially lower than one wi= th dual controls?=20 - I am installing an air conditioner evaporator/blower behind the panel and= could possibly use the space. - Are there any other considerations? Stan http://www.lancairlegacybuilder.com=0A=0A=0A --0-755431314-1266272842=:86023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have adjustables on both sides and wou= ld never do it again on the passenger side.  Never used them.  Al= so, it's much harder to push the rudder pedals when both sides are installe= d because you are working against 4 springs instead of 2.
 
This is in my 320.  Really, how much "training" are you going to = do in your Legacy?  I think you might be better off letting your passe= ngers train better in a Cessna or Piper.  As Lance always used to say,= "you just don't use the rudder in the air."   He was right.
 
I never use it except on takeoff and climb out.  That's it. =    Except I do use the toe brakes to steer on the ground. &n= bsp; I guess this would be a place to have dual rudders but even then, it's= not that hard to practice taxiing on the ground if someone is going to swi= tch to the left side.
 
My vote :  NO
 
You can always add them later if it's really something that bothers yo= u..  Save the weight.
 
Matt

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Stan Fields <sdfields@austin= .rr.com> wrote:

From: Stan Fields <sdfields@austin.rr.com><= BR>Subject: [LML] Do I need Co-pilot Rudder Pedals
To: lml@lancaironline= .net
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:30 PM

I'm build= ing a Legacy and I'm trying to complete the Rudder controls. At 6'3" I need= as much knee and leg room as possible without resting my feet on the exhau= st manifold. So, I'm installing the StarFlight hanging rudder pedals. My qu= estion to the group is this:

Should I get both pilot and co-pilot= rudder pedals?

- Will I need the co-pilot controls for trainin= g?

- Many have said they would not let anyone make a right seat land= ing in their Legacy and most of my passengers could not land the plane rega= rdless.

- Is the value of a single rudder pedal Legacy materially lo= wer than one with dual controls?

- I am installing an air condition= er evaporator/blower behind the panel and could possibly use the space.
=
- Are there any other considerations?

Stan
http://www.lancairlegacybuilder.com