X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4023049 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:10:11 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBG49UPl020886 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:30 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.bc0.688c5b18 (43893) for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC056-b2d14b285d722cf; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:25 -0500 Received: from webmail-m070 (webmail-m070.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.41]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME028-b2d14b285d722cf; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:22 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? X-Original-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:22 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 66.220.104.170 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC4C1CAE57B980_51F4_1021D_webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29970-STANDARD Received: from 66.220.104.170 by webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:09:21 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CC4C1CAE4BD29B-51F4-8070@webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CC4C1CAE57B980_51F4_1021D_webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lynn, Sounds like the best plan available short of Martin Baker. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: farnsworth To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:37 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? Jeff, =20 I am not aware of any actual tests being done. However, Greg Cole worked= closely with Andy Chiavetta and Darryl Greenamyer on the modifications th= at were done to the standard Legacy to turn it into a Super Legacy. =20 If the aircraft is out of control you just take what you can get. IF the= airplane is under control my plan for bailing out is to enter a climb (ma= king sure I am free from the seat belt radio connections etc) trim full no= se down; when the airspeed is around 40 knots jettison the canopy; when th= e canopy is gone, release the stick and push away from the aircraft.=20 =20 Hopefully I will remember the pull the ripcord and deploy the chute! (: =20 Regards, =20 Lynn =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of vta= iljeff@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? =20 Lynn, =20 Has the aft hinged canopy been tested? Some canopies of that type design= will deform under aero loads stiking the occupant. =20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: farnsworth To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 7:41 am Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? =20 =20 Skip, =20 You asked: =20 "Is it possible to bail out of a Legacy (or 360) with a forward hinged=20 canopy?" =20 During flight the largest force keeping the canopy from being opened is th= e air pressure created by forward airspeed. What would happen to the air pressure if the forward airspeed was reduced or actually zero? =20 In answer your original question, I suggest to you that is would be possib= le at very low or zero airspeed. Just pull up into a steep climb, reduce the airspeed and just before the plane stops going up, push the canopy up and step over the side. =20 Or, perhaps you might use negative "G" to help exit the aircraft.=20 =20 But of course my Legacy has an aft mounted canopy so all I have to do is unlock it and I will be able to exit. =20 Regards, =20 Lynn =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > Since an airframe parachute option is not an OPTION on a Legacy, he had= =20 > two > other options that may have allowed him to survive: >=20 > 1. Wear a personal parachute > 2. Install a feathering prop >=20 > I have both of those options with my Legacy. The prop is counterweighted= =20 > and > so will feather with loss of oil pressure. >=20 > Lynn Farnsworth > Super Legacy #235 > TSIO-550 Powered > Race #44 > Mmo .6 Mach > Feathering Prop =20 =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l =20 =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l ----------MB_8CC4C1CAE57B980_51F4_1021D_webmail-m070.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Lynn,
 
Sounds like the best plan available short of Martin Baker.
 
Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: farnsworth <farnsworth@charter.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:37 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville?

Jeff,=
 
I am not aware of= any actual tests being done. However, Greg Cole worked closely with Andy= Chiavetta and Darryl Greenamyer on the modifications that were done to th= e standard Legacy to turn it into a Super Legacy.
 
If the aircraft is= out of control you just take what you can get. IF the airplane is under= control my plan for bailing out is to enter a climb (making sure I am fre= e from the seat belt radio connections etc) trim full nose down; when the= airspeed is around 40 knots jettison the canopy; when the canopy is gone,= release the stick and push away from the aircraft.
 
Hopefully I will re= member the pull the ripcord and deploy the chute!  (:
 
Regards,
 
Lynn<= FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2>
 
 
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On= Behalf Of vtailjeff@aol.c= om
Sent: Tuesday, December 15= , 2009 11:41 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy= Crash Watsonville?
 
Lynn,
 
Has the aft hinge= d canopy  been tested?  Some canopies of that type design will= deform under aero loads stiking the occupant.
 
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: farnsworth <farnsworth@= charter.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2009 7:41 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville?
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Skip,
 
You asked:
 
"I=
s it possible to bail out of a Legacy (or 360) with a forward hinged 
canopy?"
 
During flight the largest force=
 keeping the canopy from being opened is the
air pressure creat= ed by forward airspeed. What would happen to the air
pressure=
 if the forward airspeed was reduced or actually zero?<=
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In answer your original question, I suggest to you that is would=
 be possible
=
at very low or zero airspeed. Just pull up into a st=
eep climb, reduce the
airspeed and just before the plane stops go=
ing up, push the canopy up and
step over the side.=

&nbs=
p;
Or, perhaps you might use negative "G" to help exit the aircra=
ft. 
 
But of course my Legacy has an aft mounted=
 canopy so all I have to do is
unlock it and I will be able to=
 exit.
 
Regards,
 
Ly=
nn   
 
 <=
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> Since an airframe parachute option=
 is not an OPTION on a Legacy, he had 
> two<=
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>=
 other options that may have allowed him to survive:
> =

> 1. Wear a personal parachute
> 2. Install a=
 feathering prop
=
> 
=
> I have both of those op=
tions with my Legacy. The prop is counterweighted 
> and
> so will feather with loss of oil pressure.
> 
> Lynn Farnsworth
> Super Legacy #235=

>=
 TSIO-550 Powered
> Race #44
> Mmo .6 Mach=

> Feathering Prop
 
 
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