Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53676
From: Randy <randystuart@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:32:23 -0500
To: <LML>

Skip,
I don't think Lynn nor I have advocated in any way that any pilot fly in any manor. I merely stated that I, on occasion, push my Lancair past Vne and Lynn had stated that he pushes his Lancair past Vne. Neither one of us has recommended anyone else to do this.
Since my admission I have been insulted, berated, talked down to and pretty much left for dead. Lynn chimes in and he's treated in the same manor.
I personally feel safe in my judgment, I've been flying a long time and well versed with this model Lancair. Lynn, as well, is very experienced with his Lancair and his judgments.
Why all the hate??  These are our choices, we feel safe, how did this become everyone else's condemnation?
Neither Lynn nor I have asked anyone here to fly with us, we haven't offered to train anyone to exceed Vne, we haven't promoted doing anything......
This is a forum about Lancair's, geared to a Lancair community. We are not all gray, we are all individuals, we all make our own choices. Not to judged.
In all the years I've been on this forum I have never seen so much disrespect towards fellow Lancair builders / pilots. All from sharing information.
We were just discussing Lancair's in a Lancair forum.
I hope I speak for Lynn, and others that have defended our free choice, to enjoy our Lancair's as we see fit. 
I know everyone here on the LML wishes everyone safe flying.
 
Randy Stuart
LNC-2
 
I need to go fly!!!
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number

Lynn,
   My only objection here is the cavalier disregard for limitations.  Your plane is an exception in that it was specifically modified to race, as was Greenameyer's and the IV that Lancair raced in the early Sport Class races in Reno (at least the engine was).  Your mods make your plane safe to fly at those speeds and you have established a higher Vne that you respect.  That's the smart way to do it.  The vast majority of the Lancairs flying don't have the airframe mods you have and their pilots, if they choose to fly past redline IAS, have nothing upon which to base their own limiting airspeed.  I hope you're not suggesting that they're all as safe to fly as fast as you do.
   If our entire community decides that limitations are just guidelines which can be ignored, we deserve all the bad press we've been getting.  If you ignore Vne, why not ignore an RMP limit, G limit or any other limitation you find too restrictive?  It's an attitude we shouldn't be fostering, particularly in a public forum such as the LML.
  If Joe B. thinks Lancair Vne's are too low, why doesn't he raise them?  If the factory endorses the raising of limits based upon their own research and flight testing, I have no problem with that.  However if you, Randy or any other Lancair drivers right up to Joe instead advocate the disregard of the current published limitations, I personally think that's an unwise choice.  I've been a professional pilot since I left college and I wasn't trained to think that way and strongly discourage the practice.
   Why don't we just leave it at that.
   Regards,
   Skip 
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