X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4000953 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:04:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.112; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP83 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:03:35 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [76.255.238.52] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from laptop ([76.255.238.52]) by BLU0-SMTP83.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:03:33 -0800 From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:03:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA7408.4202F190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2009 19:03:34.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FD0E5A0:01CA744B] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA7408.4202F190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will agree with your statement that we are "Test pilots". But as an = experimental aircraft pilot we are ALL considered test pilots. The = experimental certification is: Every flight is a test flight. That's why = we perform a "Conditional use" every annual. That's why we aren't = constrained to PMA's TSO's STC's 8130, etc. as certified aircraft are.=20 Ok, I admit it.... I'm a test pilot.... And proud of it.=20 Randy Stuart LNC-2 "Test Pilot" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Skip Slater=20 To: lml=20 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:21 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number "One IVP was lost years ago when it exceeded Vne." Gene Long's ES also broke up in flight when it exceeded VNE during = it's inexplicable descent from cruse altitude a year an a half ago. The fact it this: No amount of pilot skill will save a plane once = flutter begins to break it apart. If you knowingly exceed VNE, you are = a test pilot and the only way you'll know you went too fast is as your = plane is going down in pieces. Pilots who willfully ignore manufacturer = established limitations are accidents looking for a place to happen. = Pilots who brag about such exploits deserve a very wide berth. I have to wonder what the instructors from HIPAT and LOBO would have = to say on this subject. If they're listening, I hope they'll chime in. Skip Slater=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01CA7408.4202F190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
I will agree = with your=20 statement that we are "Test pilots". But as an experimental aircraft = pilot we=20 are ALL considered test pilots. The experimental certification is: Every = flight=20 is a test flight. That's why we perform a "Conditional use" every = annual. That's=20 why we aren't constrained to PMA's TSO's STC's 8130, etc. as certified = aircraft=20 are.
Ok, I admit it.... = I'm a test=20 pilot.... And proud of it.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2
"Test=20 Pilot"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Skip=20 Slater
To: lml
Sent: Thursday, December 03, = 2009 3:21=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a = meaningless number

"One IVP was lost years ago when it = exceeded=20 Vne."
 
Gene Long's ES also broke up in = flight when it=20 exceeded VNE during it's inexplicable descent from cruse altitude a = year an a=20 half ago.
 
The fact it this:  No amount of = pilot skill=20 will save a plane once flutter begins to break it apart.  If you=20 knowingly exceed VNE, you are a test pilot and the only way you'll = know you=20 went too fast is as your plane is going down in pieces.  Pilots = who=20 willfully ignore manufacturer established limitations are accidents = looking=20 for a place to happen.  Pilots who brag about such exploits = deserve a=20 very wide berth.
 
I have to wonder what the instructors = from HIPAT=20 and LOBO would have to say on this subject.  If they're = listening, I hope=20 they'll chime in.
 
Skip Slater 
 
 
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