X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s24.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.99] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 3994138 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:00:46 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.99; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP12 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:00:13 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [76.194.225.1] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from laptop ([76.194.225.1]) by BLU0-SMTP12.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:00:11 -0800 From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number X-Original-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:00:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CA7043.E2925100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2009 00:00:12.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC249730:01CA7086] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CA7043.E2925100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, seriously Wolf, since you're at 95% built I guess it's safe to say = you've researched all this information you discuss here. Can you tell me = how many, if any, Lancair LNC-2's have come apart from high speed = flutter? Small tail ver. Large tail? And what those conditions where, if = any? You must have seen the actual structural tests done on the Lancair, = right here in Santa Paula, CA.=20 Since these are "Experimental" aircraft, as opposed to "Standard" = aircraft, they are considered one offs. If you've researched = experimental aircraft then you'd know this. The only limits on any = experimental aircraft is what the "Builder" imposes on it. That is why = every Lancair has a different "Builder". LNC-2's have safely flown faster then mine as well as raced far beyond = the arbitrary published limits in the Lancair owners manual. These are = for reference.=20 Finish your Lancair, fly it 500 ~ 1000 hours, do your research and get = back to me.=20 And there's no need to not mention my name: Randy Stuart LNC-2, I'm not = a stranger here at all.=20 P.S. My passengers ask to fly in my plane, an love it. And my insurance = is paid in full.=20 Randy Stuart LNC-2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marv@lancair.net=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number Posted for rwolf99@aol.com: =20 I won't mention names here but a recent posting caused me great = concern. =20 Regarding pushing your 320 to the limit -- I'm certain that exceeding = 300 mph=20 is a thrill, but it is also pushing it *beyond* the limit. Vne for = the 320 is=20 270 mph. That limit is chosen for a reason. Might be flutter, might = be=20 overloading by a gust, might be something else entirely. We know = where the=20 limit comes from for certified airplanes but not for experimentals. =20 It does not matter how well the systems are maintained. Vne is Vne = and=20 should never be exceeded. =20 If you're going to continue doing this, please do it without me or = any of my=20 friends on board, and please don't do it over my house. Oh, and = please be=20 uninsured so that I don't have to pick up part of the tab if your = airplane=20 comes apart. =20 - Robert Wolf LNC2 95% =20 p.s. Yes, I know that this message may be considered insulting. =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01CA7043.E2925100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, seriously = Wolf, since=20 you're at 95% built I guess it's safe to say you've researched all this=20 information you discuss here. Can you tell me how many, if any, Lancair = LNC-2's=20 have come apart from high speed flutter? Small tail ver. Large tail? And = what=20 those conditions where, if any? You must have seen the actual structural = tests=20 done on the Lancair, right here in Santa Paula, CA. =
Since these are = "Experimental"=20 aircraft, as opposed to "Standard" aircraft, they are considered one = offs. If=20 you've researched experimental aircraft then you'd know this. The only = limits on=20 any experimental aircraft is what the "Builder" imposes on it. That is = why every=20 Lancair has a different "Builder".
LNC-2's have = safely flown=20 faster then mine as well as raced far beyond the arbitrary published = limits in=20 the Lancair owners manual. These are for reference. =
Finish your = Lancair, fly it=20 500 ~ 1000 hours, do your research and get back to me.=20
And there's no = need to not=20 mention my name: Randy Stuart LNC-2, I'm not a stranger here at all.=20
P.S. My passengers = ask to fly=20 in my plane, an love it. And my insurance is paid in full.=20
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2
 
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From:=20 marv@lancair.net=20
Sent: Saturday, November 28, = 2009 2:30=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a = meaningless number


Posted for rwolf99@aol.com:

 
&nb= sp;I=20 won't mention names here but a recent posting caused me great=20 concern.
 
 Regarding pushing your 320 to the limit -- = I'm=20 certain that exceeding 300 mph
is a thrill, but it is also pushing = it=20 *beyond* the limit.  Vne for the 320 is
270 = mph.  That=20 limit is chosen for a reason.  Might be flutter, might be=20
overloading by a gust, might be something else = entirely.  We=20 know where the
limit comes from for certified airplanes but not = for=20 experimentals.
 
 It does not matter how well the = systems are=20 maintained.  Vne is Vne and
should never be=20 exceeded.
 
 If you're going to continue doing this, = please do=20 it without me or any of my
friends on board, and please don't do = it over=20 my house.  Oh, and please be
uninsured so that I don't = have to=20 pick up part of the tab if your airplane
comes = apart.
 
 -=20 Robert Wolf
 LNC2 95%
 
 p.s.  Yes, = I know=20 that this message may be considered insulting.  

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