X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:52:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3700025 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:24:36 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.17; envelope-from=lancair403@verizon.net Received: from D9SDFD61 ([72.64.60.86]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KLO00GSE13G23C1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:23:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Message-id: <71A69B80625D41DCB278D851041884DE@D9SDFD61> From: "William Rumburg" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: VMS 1000 Fuel Pressure Transducer X-Original-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:23:35 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 The Honeywell MediaMate fuel pressure transducer sold by VMS (JP Instruments) utilizes a plug-on Hirshman (right angle) connector which, as Brent points out, is a poor design considering the weak 50 mVDC output signal and potential for voltage drop across the connector. The Measurement Specialties replacement that I recommended employes a permanently connected 2' cable, which virtually eliminates voltage drop; however, it's 2' length is too short and requires a connector to mate with the VMS-furnished four conductor cable (the wires furnished with a new $1,000. Oildyne pump and most FM/CD/MP3 players are also too short and require connectors). Utilize a four-circuit AMP free-hanging connector (Digi-Key p/n A1402/1431) (http://dk3.c.digikey.com/B092/p80221.pdf) and gold-plated pin/socket (Digi-Key p/n A1432/1434 (http://dk3.c.digikey.com/B8092/p80222.pdf) Bill Rumburg N403WR (Sonic bOOm) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Regan" To: I had a similar experience as Bill except it was the oil pressure > sensor. Nothing gets you on the ground faster than a zero oil pressure > alarm. Happened twice. The first time I replaced the sensor and the > second time was about a month later. I figured it must have been a > connection of the DPU so I replaced the cable, connections and even > removed the DPU to verify proper function. I swapped fuel pressure and > oil pressure inputs to be sure it wasn't a flaky A-D channel on the > DPU. After weeks of mucking about it turns out that the new sensor was > flaky. A call to JP got the "You installed it you bought it" response. > My reply? Foxtrot Yankee. > > I never much cared for the Media Mate sensors because they used crummy > "Faston" spade connections that treat millivolt signals like a junk yard > dog so I decided to make something better. > > Understand that these types of pressure sensors use strain gages > (resistors that vary with strain) in a Whetstone bridge configuration. > The output is proportional to the input and the pressure applied, or > millivolts per volt of excitation per PSI of applied pressure. If at 50 > PSI and 5 volt excitation you get a 5 millivolt output then at 10 volt > excitation you would get 10 millivolts at the same applied pressure. > VM1000 uses 5 volt excitation. > > For the oil pressure I ended up selecting the Honeywell 19C series in > 0-100 PSI range (19C100PG4K) > http://sensing.honeywell.com/index.cfm?ci_id=140301&la_id=1&pr_id=145986 > > and machining a backshell out of aluminum to accept a MIL Spec 4 pin > connector. (see attached picture of the modeled assembly). You need > access to a lathe and a mill for about an hour to make the backshell. > The sensor was about $110 and the connector another $20. > > The fuel pressure sensor needs to have a 0-50 PSI range so the part > number would be 19C50PG4K. > > The sensor has been installed for over 2 years without any problem. > > Any brave soul that wants to follow my footsteps to make their own > backshell, email me and I'll send you a drawing, or better yet, the > SolidWorks model. > > Regards > Brent Regan > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >