X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3690448 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:19:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EtjnoviPFuMEhyzIw7T0HUka5n1euc2QtK0EE1vvAqwUGvi6rBdh2GOqq5luAnRD; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MIYBl-00069W-RU for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:19:14 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <70C5BE380B6C46B785FC9D0D18484DAE@DougsLaptop> From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vernier throttle and mixture X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:18:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9F2B5.C66044D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac00c3604e638927e7455a9e0da729abef2e02ee0d7d6367604350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9F2B5.C66044D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Dan Ballin, vernier throttle is a matter of personal = preference. I flew a Mooney with a vernier throttle for many years. I like the = vernier and have had no problems making significant power changes - just = push in the button. I also find it more convenient for making small = power changes on landing or while in the pattern. I think if you are used to vernier and like it you should continue, if = not get the friction lock. D. Brunner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary Casey=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Vernier throttle and mixture I tend to agree with Rob on this one. I often ride with a friend with = a Mooney that has a vernier throttle. I sometimes find myself thinking = "come on, hurry up" when he is spinning the throttle knob. Especially = on landing one sometimes must make significant power changes and to have = to hang on to the knob with the button pushed in is awkward. Gary Casey Dan - Two issues in my mind with a vernier throttle: 1) I takes a little more effort to push the button in and move the = control. Throttle changes happen so often that pushing the button is = too much extra work. The friction lock holds it in place, yet is easily = "disengaged" by pushing harder. I would also hate to need power fast = and not have my thumb on the button. In this sense, having a friction = lock rather than a vernier is a safety thing, at least to me. The = changes to the prop and mixture are far less frequent and have less = severe consequences if a change does not happen immediately. 2) We (at least I) generally "fine tune" prop and mixture and find = screwing the knob in for minor adjustments is handy. Not so with the = throttle -- big changes are more typical. That's my two cents. I would not have an airplane with a vernier = throttle, and I would also not have one without a friction lock on the = throttle. I prefer verniers for prop and mixture but could live with = anything that can be locked at its current setting. - Rob Wolf=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Dan Reagan=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [LML] Vernier throttle and mixture From what I can tell, Lancair typically sells vernier mixture and = prop control cables but sells friction lock cables for throttle. Why = not use a vernier control for the throttle? Is there a down side to = this other than cost?=20 Thanks, Dan Reagan IVP 650 hours ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C9F2B5.C66044D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Dan Ballin, vernier = throttle is a=20 matter of personal preference.
 
I flew a Mooney with a vernier throttle = for many=20 years.  I like the vernier and have had no problems making = significant=20 power changes - just push in the button.  I also find it more = convenient=20 for making small power changes on landing or while in the = pattern.
 
I think if you are used to vernier and = like it you=20 should continue, if not get the friction lock.
 
D. Brunner
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gary=20 Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 = 8:30 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vernier = throttle and=20 mixture

I tend to agree with Rob on this one.  I often ride with a = friend=20 with a Mooney that has a vernier throttle.  I sometimes find = myself=20 thinking "come on, hurry up" when he is spinning the throttle = knob. =20 Especially on landing one sometimes must make significant power = changes and to=20 have to hang on to the knob with the button pushed in is = awkward.
Gary Casey
Dan=20 -

Two issues in my mind with a vernier = throttle:

1)  I=20 takes a little more effort to push the button in and move the = control. =20 Throttle changes happen so often that pushing the button is too much = extra=20 work.  The friction lock holds it in place, yet is easily = "disengaged" by=20 pushing harder.  I would also hate to need power fast and not = have my=20 thumb on the button.  In this sense, having a friction lock = rather than a=20 vernier is a safety thing, at least to me.  The changes to the = prop and=20 mixture are far less frequent and have less severe consequences if a = change=20 does not happen immediately.

2)  We (at least I) generally = "fine=20 tune" prop and mixture and find screwing the knob in for minor = adjustments is=20 handy.  Not so with the throttle -- big changes are more=20 typical.

That's my two cents.  I would not have an = airplane with a=20 vernier throttle, and I would also not have one without a friction = lock on the=20 throttle.  I prefer verniers for prop and mixture but could live = with=20 anything that can be locked at its current setting.

- Rob Wolf=20
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 = 9:28=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Vernier = throttle and=20 mixture

From what I can tell, Lancair = typically sells=20 vernier mixture and prop control cables but sells friction=20 lock cables for throttle.  Why not use a vernier control = for the=20 throttle?  Is there a down side to this other than=20 cost? 
 
Thanks,
 
Dan Reagan
IVP 650=20 = hours

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