X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.71] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3677548 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:12:35 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.207.71; envelope-from=airmale4@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77079 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2009 03:12:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WDDxIxXyd7QCddjwkizhyeHkOMNzYZXXJRzIsMUmVWOK+HhOqEQ1ilV1BGE+rkjn5ziND02Q4AfNdW0nCxEsrDq9PNIKy3OxyRBLvgrHREA/KJIdyAQBeWPRaNeFf4ixmr6dx7LSObr2r9ZZzcsrFJZZYT9Ao5c/B7nvA3BKPww=; X-Original-Message-ID: <977151.76627.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sXa9c_AVM1loThDGX9ARDcuqtGA4ZoqjmJDBzW.GxQsxVEGuq8d_ZrKlx0tfsjCZrlS_BEXV3L_7ozaQGsgphZseDqvCJBuT17OVQE6kzsl9359QwhqKDaMQqcVTgcZGVXGPM.KFZeC4bV9nbFar3Gy5Yk2SRK1GIB9GeSetuLdeE9Jkrvo6v4UEhrQeR2hyyFwJAPEnDW66OuIxcFF6rhSAW5MFBkTwv9YOKnZdvw7wrqraAzmdTkaL8hV_63mFt1LFe62PF6c6LAI4ayTCr1divDMasCTDIRsOzj9BGeKJR3diuWhyVJKB9zRKkHAXyeS51IkN7sCmgsU- Received: from [174.130.83.224] by web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:12:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: J H Webb Subject: Re: [LML] IVP stability X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-525804441-1244603520=:76627" --0-525804441-1244603520=:76627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim, Yep, you have much more time in the 727 than I acquired, but there were so many other temptations. Lots of Boeing, Douglas and Airbus, I would have loved more hours in all of them. That issue aside, there was discovered in certification, a real and valid problem requiring the installation of the system or the part 25 envelope would be greatly reduced....... The problem was Dutch Roll (yaw and yaw induced roll) Jack Webb BSAE ________________________________ From: JIM HANKINS To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 11:26:03 AM Subject: [LML] IVP stability I thought that I had build a Lancair IVP turbine, but after seeing all of the post, it must be something else. > > My IVP has no yaw damper, and no winglets. It is very stable in yaw in all regimes of flight. One does need to trim the rudder with speed and power changes. My rudder trim in on the stick for this reason as is the aileron and elevator. > By the way, I also found the 727 to have no yaw problem with the dampers off except at high altitude, the operating manual noted this very strongly. I only flew the 727 for 18,000 hours in all three seats, so I am not really an expert. > >Jim Hankins --0-525804441-1244603520=:76627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Jim,

   Yep, you have much more time in the 727 than I acquired, but there were so many other temptations. Lots of Boeing, Douglas and Airbus, I would have loved more hours in all of them.
     That issue aside, there was discovered in certification, a real and valid problem requiring the installation of the system or the part 25 envelope would be greatly reduced.......   The problem was Dutch Roll (yaw and yaw induced roll)

Jack Webb
BSAE

From: JIM HANKINS <spiciedog1@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 11:26:03 AM
Subject: [LML] IVP stability

I thought that I had build a Lancair IVP turbine, but after seeing all of the post, it must be something else.
 
  My IVP has no yaw damper, and no winglets.  It is very stable in yaw in all regimes of flight.  One does need to trim the rudder with speed and power changes.  My rudder trim in on the stick for this reason as is the aileron and elevator.
  By the way, I also found the 727 to have no yaw problem with the dampers off except at high altitude, the operating manual noted this very strongly.  I only flew the 727 for 18,000 hours in all three seats, so I am not really an expert. 
 
Jim Hankins  
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