Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #50995
From: Frederick Moreno <frederickmoreno@bigpond.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Jefco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:23:04 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Crystallizing of the old Shell Epon 862 followed the same pattern.  It would turn milky and a bit slushly if allowed to cool too far for too long.  Put it into a container and heat for a couple of hours (I think 140F was the magic number here as well) and it would come good and tests showed it to be OK.  However, if it crystallized in the Sticky Stuff Dispenser, the presence of residual crystals in the pump would stimulate low temperature re-crystallization.  So you need to heat the whole pump, or clean it thoroughly before returning the reclaimed resin to the pump.

 

Resins are generally very stable and can be reclaimed.

 

Hardener systems are different.  Many crystallize due to presence of water vapour or carbon dioxide, and when they go, they are gone.   Into the circular file, order more.

 

Fred Moreno

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Jensen [mailto:cjensen@dts9000.com]
Sent:
Friday, 10 April 2009 1:01 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Jefco

 

"The jefco resin in the 5 gallon drums if left on a concrete floor or
 steel floor the resin can pull the cold up into the container and ruin
 the resin. Make sure the resin is stored properly for long use."

 

Not to put too fine a point on it, but 'cold' does not exist.  Cold is simply the absence of heat, so the heat in the Jefco may conduct down to the cold floor, but such conduction is not a major factor in a media freezing.  The heat radiation and conduction to the surrounding air is a much bigger loss.  Some concrete slabs, in contact with the ground, may actually stay warmer than the air and, ever so slightly, protect the Jefco from freezing. 

 

Next, it should not be assumed that, because the Jefco got cold and crystallized, that it is ruined.  We use polymer by the ton, literally, and if our polymer freezes and crystallizes, we must rewarm the polymer to about 140F to dissolve the crystals.  Thereafter, the efficacy of the polymer is fully restored.

 

While this observation is pertinent to an epoxy and styrene system that we use for a non-aviation purpose, it's important to understand that such experience is fact specific; in this case, product specific.  I defer to the manufacturer of Jefco as to what their recommendation is for their products.  Out of an abundance of caution, they may say not to use it for structural components, but I doubt there is any problem with non-structural components.  

 

You can confirm the viability of the components if you do a PCP (process control program) bench sample to confirm that the components cure to a rock hard product when applied to a test strip.


Chuck Jensen

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent:
Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:06 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Jefco

Posted for "Justin Hawkins" <JustinH@lancair.com>:

 All Lancair customers the build shop did a test on the Jefco resin, if
 it gets close to freezing even for only a matter of minutes the resin
 can crystallize and its properties ruined. So if that happens clean the
 pump replace the resin.
 
 The jefco resin in the 5 gallon drums if left on a concrete floor or
 steel floor the resin can pull the cold up into the container and ruin
 the resin. Make sure the resin is stored properly for long use.
 
 
 
 Justin Hawkins
 
 Lancair Airframe & Technical Support
 
 Lancair Int. Inc.
 
 
250 SE Timber AVE
 
 
Redmond, OR 97756
 
 justinh@lancair.com <mailto:justinh@lancair.com>
 
 541-923-2244 ext 121
 
 
 

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