Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #50980
From: <marv@lancair.net>
Subject: Re: Jefco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:20:30 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Posted for "Justin Hawkins" <JustinH@lancair.com>:

 We heated it back up and made test samples. The samples did harden and
 possibly structural but it took an extra day for it to fully cure. So in
 are opinions it just may not be worth using for structural bonding, but
 hey it is experimental and you can do as you wish.
 May not want to mention it during aircraft insurance inspection time.
 
 Justin Hawkins
 Lancair Airframe & Technical Support
 Lancair Int. Inc.
 250 SE Timber AVE
 Redmond, OR 97756
 justinh@lancair.com
 541-923-2244 ext 121
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: gary hunter [mailto:lucyliu22@mac.com]
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:46 AM
 To: Valin & Allyson Thorn; Valin Thorn
 Cc: Justin Hawkins; lml@lancaironline.net; marv@lancair.net
 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Jefco
 
 WOE JUST A MINUTE FOLKS....
 
 
 If we are talking about Jeffco laminating resins ... You need to listen
 up.
 
 Just because the resin is crystallized, it does not mean it has gone
 bad. It
 is perfectly normal for the resin to crystallize. Epoxy resins at
 ambient
 temperature is a "super cooled" liquid.  What that means is, that below
 it's
 melting point... ~ 130F...the product remains a liquid.  A dust
 partical, a
 seed crystal and cool temperatures (like the floor of your garage) will
 accelerate crystal formation.   The most pure resins, crystalize
 fastest.
 
 Using the material in the crystallized state is a no no. If the resins
 is
 hazy..that is an indication it has begun to crystallize.
 
 HOWEVER, the resin can be "Reconstituted" by heating it above the
 melting
 point of the crystals.  Once the product becomes clear, free of haze and
 crystal material, it can be cooled back down the room temperature.  The
 resin is good as new and has not suffered any degradation what so ever.
 
 The important part is to Reconstitute the entire contents of the
 container.
 The epoxy resin formulations we use can be mixtures of different types
 of
 resins to get the best overall properties.  Some of these different
 types of
 resins, are not super cooled liquids and do not crystallize.  So the
 resin
 portion that crystallizes is more dense, and settles to the bottom of
 the
 container.  If you pour off the liquid part sitting on top of the
 crystallized part, it will not be the same composition of the original
 mixture.  So, if you find a container of resin that is not clear all the
 way
 to the bottom.  Heat the whole container to melt all the crystals.  Stir
 or
 shake it little to mix things back up, then you can pour off what you
 need.
 
 The safest way to heat the resin is the seal the container tightly, and
 place it into a bucket of hot tap water  Keep refreshing the hot tap
 water
 until the resin is sufficient hot to melt the crystals.
 
 If it is a 5 gallon can, I highly recommend you invest in a silicone
 heating
 strap from McMaster Carr or some outfit like that. Some of you
 innovative
 types may find a cheaper way.
 
 It is not necessary, but some builders find it handy to keep their resin
 in
 a hot box...like an Igloo cooler with a 40W light bulb in it. This keeps
 the
 resin nice and warm and prevents crystal formation. The warm resin wets
 out
 the fabric faster, but it will shorten the working time.
 
 Storing you resin on the concrete floor will speed up the crystal
 formation
 process.  Place a couple 2X4's between the container and the floor.
 
 Some of you may know me, Jeff Bassman of Jeffco does.. He was one of my
 customers in the past.  I am an epoxy resin chemist of 30+ years,
 currently
 working for Dow Chemical Company formulating resins systems for various
 composite applications.
 
 If any of you have any questions on epoxies for homebuilders... Feel
 free to
 email me.  I provide the same type help for the various canard builders
 too.
 
 Gary Hunter
 Gary Hunter Composites
 117 Mesquite St.
 Lake Jackson, TX 77566
 
 281-433-8478
 
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