X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:31:46 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.99] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3572576 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:58:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.99; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.d07.50793162 (37031); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-5c8049db5bed9; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:58:10 -0400 Received: from webmail-me21 (webmail-me21.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.213]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB038-5c8049db5bed9; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:58:05 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: I wish I had used a torque wrench X-Original-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:58:05 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.62.73.162 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 75.62.73.162 by webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.213) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:58:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB85A0025C8F38_E4_1137_webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42402-STANDARD X-Original-Cc: fuelfresh@aol.com X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB85A0024BDEB4-E4-894@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB85A0025C8F38_E4_1137_webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Contact Mark Sherman at 619-866-9503 or (480) 345-6677 or his email fuelfres= h@aol.com=C2=A0 it is the best low profile quick drain I have found and will= not interfere with IVP nose gear. Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Dr Andre Katz To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 5:49 pm Subject: [LML] Re: I wish I had used a torque wrench i need one too where do you get one andres From: "vtailjeff@aol.com" To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 9:45:06 AM Subject: [LML] Re: I wish I had used a torque wrench John, Sounds like you need a low profile oil quick drain from Mark Sherman.=20 Jeff -----Original Message----- From: John Hafen To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:41 am Subject: [LML] I wish I had used a torque wrench=20 So there I am on my crawler, finishing up an oil change on N413AJ that has a= total of 110 hours on her. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m putting the plug in the oil pa= n and its nice and tight. =C2=A0I think (here is where I started to get into= trouble) =E2=80=9CI want this nice and tight so it doesn=E2=80=99t break th= e safety wire and fall out in flight, jettisoning all the oil which freezes=20= the engine and I have to crash land somewhere....=E2=80=9D So one more little twist on the plug, and OOOOOOOps! =C2=A0It went just a li= ttle bit too far. I don=E2=80=99t need to tell you the level of disappointment that flooded ov= er me as I contemplated that I had20just stripped the threads in the oil sum= p pan. So I atoned for my sin. I bought a new sump, hired some help, disconnected lots of stuff, jacked the= engine up just high enough to remove the old pan and slip it out the front=20= and scrape off the old gasket and install a new pan with gasket. =C2=A0Then=20= lower the engine back into place, call Lancair to see how to torque the engi= ne mounting bolts (4 50 =E2=80=93 500 inch pounds), then hook everything bac= k up. So I=E2=80=99m ready to fly once again. MEANWHILE, I have an Oil Sump pan from Continental, part number 632876 with=20= only a hundred hours on it, in perfect working condition, except for the str= ipped threads in the oil plug hole. The mechanic who helped me out yesterday told me that the right guy with the= right aluminum welding skills could actually weld in a new aluminum disk th= at could be threaded and the pan would be good as new. Since I do not possess aluminum welding skills, my options are: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* Offer the oil sump pan for sale to the highe= st bidder, or =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0* Make a wall clock out of it. I haven=E2=80=99t gotten the bill for it yet, but the mechanic told me the n= ew sump pan would cost about $2,300.00. =C2=A0That is for a new one with thr= eads that are not yet stripped. =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t know what mine, with t= he stripped threads, would be worth. So if anyone has a need for an Oil Sump Pan with stripped threads, let me kn= ow. =C2=A0Or if you have any particula rly clever and creative ideas on how to make a clock out of it, I would be i= nterested in hearing from you as well. Cheers, John Hafen N413AJ =E2=80=94 110 hours PS =E2=80=94 the kindly mechanic said, =E2=80=9CJohn =E2=80=94 just use a 1/= 4th inch drive on everything you do and you=E2=80=99ll be fine. =E2=80=9C=20= =C2=A0Then he handed me the Cont inental specs that list torque settings for= everything under the sun, just in case I decide to go that route. jh=20 The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!=20 ----------MB_8CB85A0025C8F38_E4_1137_webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Contact Mark Sherman at 619-866-9503 or (480) 345-6677 or his email fuelfresh@aol.com  it is the best low= profile quick drain I have found and will not interfere with IVP nose gear.=

Jeff Edwards


-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Andre Katz <bu131@swbell.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 5:49 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: I wish I had used a torque wrench

i need one too where do you get one
andres

From: "vtailjeff@aol.com" <vtailjeff@aol.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009=20= 9:45:06 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: I wish I=20= had used a torque wrench

John,

Sounds like you need a low profile oil quick drain from Mark Sherman.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.= net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 6:41 am
Subject: [LML] I wish I had used a torque wrench

So there I= am on my crawler, finishing up an oil change on N413AJ that has a total of=20= 110 hours on her.  I=E2=80=99m putting the plug in the oil pan and its=20= nice and tight.  I think (here is where I started to get into trouble)=20= =E2=80=9CI want this nice and tight so it doesn=E2=80=99t break the safety w= ire and fall out in flight, jettisoning all the oil which freezes the engine= and I have to crash land somewhere....=E2=80=9D

So one more little twist on the plug, and OOOOOOOps!  It went just a li= ttle bit too far.

I don=E2=80=99t need to tell you the level of disappointment that flooded ov= er me as I contemplated that I had just stripped the threads in the oil sump= pan.

So I atoned for my sin.

I bought a new sump, hired some help, disconnected lots of stuff, jacked the= engine up just high enough to remove the old pan and slip it out the front=20= and scrape off the old gasket and install a new pan with gasket.  Then=20= lower the engine back into place, call Lancair to see how to torque the engi= ne mounting bolts (4 50 =E2=80=93 500 inch pounds), then hook everything back up.

So I=E2=80=99m ready to fly once again.

MEANWHILE, I have an Oil Sump pan from Continental, part number 632876 with=20= only a hundred hours on it, in perfect working condition, except for the str= ipped threads in the oil plug hole.

The mechanic who helped me out yesterday told me that the right guy with the= right aluminum welding skills could actually weld in a new aluminum disk th= at could be threaded and the pan would be good as new.

Since I do not possess aluminum welding skills, my options are:

     * Offer the oil sump pan for sale to the highe= st bidder, or
     * Make a wall clock out of it.

I haven=E2=80=99t gotten the bill for it yet, but the mechanic told me the n= ew sump pan would cost about $2,300.00.  That is for a new one with thr= eads that are not yet stripped.  I don=E2=80=99t know what mine, with t= he stripped threads, would be worth.

So if anyone has a need for an Oil Sump Pan with stripped threads, let me kn= ow.  Or if you have any particularly clever and creative ideas on how t= o make a clock out of it, I would be interested in hearing from you as well.=

Cheers,

John Hafen
N413AJ =E2=80=94 110 hours

PS =E2=80=94 the kindly mechanic said, =E2=80=9CJohn =E2=80=94 just use a 1/= 4th inch drive on everything you do and you=E2=80=99ll be fine. =E2=80=9C &n= bsp;Then he handed me the Cont inental specs that list torque settings for everything under the sun, just in case I decide to go that route.

jh

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