X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [69.145.248.57] (HELO blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3541030 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:39:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.145.248.57; envelope-from=carbonflier@bresnan.net X-Original-Return-Path: Authentication-Results: blnmtfh2svavs smtp.user=carbonflier; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aE43GAbXiKQA:10 a=8RsBDUafOSgA:10 a=Mc4gMwbsEmde4kv_MUEA:9 a=IsneX0ZUr-yj-oJIcRAA:7 a=kXtioHOrXQ6x41i2uEevHUv6P5QA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=pS3dF68NtZl8JLBw:21 a=TlwdcYmRF6WC43yK:21 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [98.127.10.13] ([98.127.10.13:2593] helo=[192.168.0.186]) by blnmtfh2svavs.cluster1.bresnan.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.37 r(28805/28810M)) with ESMTPA id 91/D2-17864-18C85B94; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:39:13 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <49B58C7E.5060306@bresnan.net> X-Original-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:39:10 -0600 From: David Standish User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] LOP vs ROP Climb: Time and Fuel Burn (LIVP) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Jeff, Next you might run ROP at the same performance numbers as you had LOP (152-157 KIAS and 600-900 fpm VSI) and see what the fuel burn is. You probably will use a significantly lower MAP to get equivalent performance. I bet 26-27" MAP. That may significantly impact the difference you found in fuel economy. David Jeffrey Liegner, MD wrote: > Here's some analysis on time to climb and fuel consumption in my LIVP > during a controlled ascent of 10,000' (from 6000' MSL to 16000' MSL) > in both Lean of Peak (LOP) and Rich of Peak (ROP) engine configuations. > > This test occurred over Pennsylvania 3/7/09, fixed heading (350*), > fully configured and stabilized in level flight (6000' MSL) at 34.8" > MAP and fuel flow, followed by a pitch up (over a known GPS reference > point) and climb (to 16000' MSL) either LOP (18.2 gph) or ROP (34.2 > gph). Winds were light out of the northwest (a quartering headwind), > remained consistent during both tests; temps were above ISO. The > test was conducted over a 32 min span of time. Engine: TSIO-550E. > > _Lean of Peak (LOP) Data:_ > 10,000' climb at 34.8" MAP > Fuel flow 18.3 gph (estimate 100*F LOP) > Time Required: 11:28 min > Distance Downrange: 30.9 nm > Airspeed during climb: 152-157 KIAS (Calculated Groundspeed: 161) > Indicated VSI: 600-900 fpm (Calculated: 870 fpm) > Fuel Burn: 3.5 gallons (confirmed with totalizer) > Highest CHT Temp: 360*F (CHT2) > > > > _Rich of Peak (ROP) Data:_ > 10,000' climb at 34.8" MAP > Fuel flow 34.2 gph (Mixture full in) > Time Required: 9:07 min > Distance Downrange: 26.5 nm > Airspeed during climb: 160 KIAS initially, but 165 KIAS last 1:30 min > due to CHT2 >410*F > Indicated VSI: 1000-1400 fpm (Calculated: 1100 fpm) > Fuel Burn: 5.2 gallons (confirmed with totalizer) > Highest CHT Temp: 412*F (CHT2) > > _Bonus Data in Level Flight after ROP climb:_ > Immediate LOP to 18.3 gph > Proceeded to 30.9 nm down range > Additional time required in level flight: 1:17 min > Additional fuel required in level flight (LOP): 0.4 gallons > Total time to reach 30.9 nm down range: ROP 10:24 min (versus LOP > 11:28 min) > Total fuel burn to reach 30.9 nm and 10,000' gain: ROP 5.6 gal (vs LOP > 3.5 gal) > > _My personal conclusion:_ > LOP during climb consumes 37% less fuel and only extends travel time 11%. > CHT are much better LOP during the climb. > > > > Jeff Liegner > LIVP in New Jersey