X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.210] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3522643 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:44:37 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cf9.508dd986 (14457) for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:44:01 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: Operating Limitations X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1235951041" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1235951041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, but the NTSB records are full of Phase I flights with fatal results for both occupants - that is the ultimate enforcement. Grayhawk In a message dated 3/1/2009 4:30:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, 2luv2fly@cox.net writes: Group, For those of you have "been there - done that", disregard this note. However, those of you who are still building and will eventually need an airworthiness inspection, I urge you to give serious consideration to those who you let inspect your airplane and issue you your airworthiness certificate, along with your operating limitations. I urge you to employ someone who knows the airplane you are building, its idiosyncrasies, quirks and what it takes to accomplish the Phase I testing. There has been some discussion recently about someone accompanying you during flight testing and that it was a definite "No - No". As discussed this week with our local FSDO, it is still the intent that no one accompany you on any flight during the testing phase. However, there are exceptions available when your operating limitations are properly interpreted. One example of someone being essential to the purpose of the flight is the calibration of the AOA. In the AOA installation manual, it specifically states that two people are recommended while calibrating the AOA - one to fly the plane and one to calibrate the instrument. I'm sure there are other instances where another person in the plane is essential to the purpose or safety of the flight. Our FSDO requested that if we have an additional person in the airplane that we please notify them of the purpose and date of the occurrence. To me, that sounds very reasonable and puts you in the position of being a "team player". Our discussion with the local FSDO was a surprise phone call, but not totally unexpected because of correspondence forwarded to them recently (from this list) by someone questioning another person in our airplane. As a result of this, I would caution all of you to choose your words (and pictures) wisely and think "what someone else would think" about any post that you make. By the way, does ANYONE have personal knowledge of a violation or enforcement action against a pilot operating with a person / pilot in the co-pilot seat (with a declared and planned PURPOSE) during phase 1 operations? Tailwinds, Ed Smith Chesapeake, VA N9JE - Flying!! -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) -------------------------------1235951041 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope, but the NTSB records are full of Phase I flights with fatal resul= ts=20 for both occupants - that is the ultimate enforcement.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 4:30:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 2luv2fly@cox.net writes:
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Group,

For those of you have "been there - done that",= =20 disregard this note.
However, those of you who are still building and w= ill=20 eventually need an
airworthiness inspection, I urge you to give serious= =20 consideration to those
who you let inspect your airplane and issue you=20= your=20 airworthiness
certificate, along with your operating limitations. I urg= e=20 you to employ
someone who knows the airplane you are building, its=20 idiosyncrasies, quirks
and what it takes to accomplish the Phase I=20 testing.

There has been some discussion recently about someone=20 accompanying you
during flight testing and that it was a definite "No -= =20 No". As discussed
this week with our local FSDO, it is still the intent= =20 that no one accompany
you on any flight during the testing phase. Howev= er,=20 there are exceptions
available when your operating limitations are prop= erly=20 interpreted. One
example of someone being essential to the purpose of t= he=20 flight is the
calibration of the AOA. In the AOA installation manual, i= t=20 specifically
states that two people are recommended while calibrating t= he=20 AOA - one to
fly the plane and one to calibrate the instrument. I'm sur= e=20 there are other
instances where another person in the plane is essentia= l to=20 the purpose or
safety of the flight. Our FSDO requested that if we have= an=20 additional
person in the airplane that we please notify them of the pur= pose=20 and date of
the occurrence. To me, that sounds very reasonable and puts= you=20 in the
position of being a "team player".

Our discussion with th= e=20 local FSDO was a surprise phone call, but not
totally unexpected becaus= e of=20 correspondence forwarded to them recently
(from this list) by someone=20 questioning another person in our airplane.  As
a result of this,=20= I=20 would caution all of you to choose your words (and
pictures)  wise= ly=20 and think "what someone else would think" about any post
that you=20 make.  By the way, does ANYONE have personal knowledge of a
violat= ion=20 or enforcement action against a pilot operating with a person /
pilot i= n=20 the co-pilot seat (with a declared and planned PURPOSE) during
phase 1=20 operations?

Tailwinds,

Ed Smith
Chesapeake, VA
N9JE -=20 Flying!!


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