X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.137.7] (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3519252 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:57:19 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cd7.4b691e1e (37558) for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB037-5bbd49a7ff433ad; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:57:14 -0500 Received: from webmail-da12 (webmail-da12.webmail.aol.com [205.188.212.207]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd49a7ff433ad; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:57:07 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TSA Hell is Starting! X-Original-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:57:07 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.63.169.212 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB6702CBA6ABB9_1610_25A_webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD Received: from 75.63.169.212 by webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.207) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:57:07 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB6702CAB8402D-1610-136@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB6702CBA6ABB9_1610_25A_webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would write a letter of complaint to the TSA fellow's supervisors and ask=20= for an investigation of his conduct. He crossed the line when he attempted t= o go into your hangar. He clearly had no warrant and no cause. He should hav= e identified himself first before he demanded your ID. Sounds to me from you= r description he was "off duty" in civilian clothes.=20 Copy AOPA, Does your airport have a AOPA Airport SupportNetwork volunteer? L= et him know.=20 Copy the airport manager. Copy your congressman. Best Regards, Jeff Edwards -----Original Message----- From: vonjet@gmail.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 6:40 am Subject: [LML] Re: TSA Hell is Starting! We already laid down. It all started with the 12-5 security program that us=20= revenue operators have had to follow since 2002. Now they are just getting m= ore and more control and ruining aviation. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "Kevin Stallard"=20 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:28:14 -0500 To: Subject: [LML] Re: TSA Hell is Starting! One of the problems is these guys are going to start feeling important. =C2=A0 We have to stop this folks.=C2=A0 We can=E2=80=99t just lay down on this.= =C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s going to take some hard work and perseverance, but we ca= n=E2=80=99t just let this happen.=20 =C2=A0 Kevin From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of warre= n hogge Sent: 2009-02-26 08:46 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] TSA Hell is Starting! =C2=A0=3D0 A On 2-25-09=C2=A0at MYF on my electric scooter=C2=A0I went through security g= ate then across street [50'] to my mail box. Someone 250' away started -Sir!= Sir! I go over to see what the problem is. DIDN'T YOU SEE THE SIGN THAT SAI= D TO WAIT TIL THE GATE CLOSES!!! Well I was only 50' away now I'm 250' to ta= lk to you. I left, went back to hanger. =C2=A0=C2=A0 10 min. later at my hanger this guy shows up demending my ID. W= ho are you? and no you can't have my ID. I am a TSA agent. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Escalating!!! =C2=A0=C2=A0 He goes into my hanger. I put my arm out to stop him tell him t= o get out, he runs into my arm-----Says I am assulting a federal officer. I=20= call 911 He then stops. Finally steps out. =C2=A0=C2=A0 Owner of fbo shows up. I finally give him ID after owner says y= es he is TSA. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Think I will ever get "the new badge" to come into airpor= t? =C2=A0 ----------MB_8CB6702CBA6ABB9_1610_25A_webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" I would write a letter of complaint to the TSA fellow's supervisors and ask=20= for an investigation of his conduct. He crossed the line when he attempted t= o go into your hangar. He clearly had no warrant and no cause. He should hav= e identified himself first before he demanded your ID. Sounds to me from you= r description he was "off duty" in civilian clothes.

Copy AOPA, Does your airport have a AOPA Airport SupportNetwork volunteer? L= et him know.

Copy the airport manager.

Copy your congressman.

Best Regards,

Jeff Edwards


-----Original Message-----
From: vonjet@gmail.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 6:40 am
Subject: [LML] Re: TSA Hell is Starting!

We already laid down. It all started with the 12-5 security program that us=20= revenue operators have had to follow since 2002. Now they are just getting m= ore and more control and ruining aviation.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Kevin Stallard"
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:28:14 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.ne= t>
Subject: [LML] Re: TSA Hell is Starting!
One of the problems is= these guys are going to start feeling important.
 
We have to stop this f= olks.  We can=E2=80=99t just lay down on this.  It=E2=80=99s going= to take some hard work and perseverance, but we can=E2=80=99t just let this= happen.
 =
Kevin
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:= lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of= warren hogge
Sent: 2009-02-26 08:46
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] TSA Hell is S= tarting!
 
On 2-25-09 at MYF on my electr= ic scooter I went through security gate then across street [50'] to my=20= mail box.=3D2 0Someone 250' away started -Sir! Sir! I go over to see what the problem is.=20= DIDN'T YOU SEE THE SIGN THAT SAID TO WAIT TIL THE GATE CLOSES!!! Well I was=20= only 50' away now I'm 250' to talk to you. I left, went back to hanger.
   10 min. later at my ha= nger this guy shows up demending my ID. Who are you? and no you can't have m= y ID. I am a TSA agent.
   Escalating!!!
   He goes into my hanger= . I put my arm out to stop him tell him to get out, he runs into my arm-----= Says I am assulting a federal officer. I call 911 He then stops. Finally ste= ps out.
   Owner of fbo shows up.= I finally give him ID after owner says yes he is TSA.
    Think I will eve= r get "the new badge" to come into airport?
 

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